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re: OSU LHP Heimlich: “(his) explanation ... incomplete from legal standpoint”
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:43 pm to LSUGrad9295
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:43 pm to LSUGrad9295
quote:Then why was Josh, Luke's brother, the one to report the second molestation two years after the first?
I can almost see a scenario where the vindictive ex-wife could convince the kid to make something like this up.
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:46 pm to Jake88
Because the mother for two years kept telling him it was happening...
Jake, why did the daughter always go to the mother who didn’t even live with the child or have custody as opposed to telling her actual custodial parent?
Jake, why did the daughter always go to the mother who didn’t even live with the child or have custody as opposed to telling her actual custodial parent?
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:47 pm to MrWiseGuy
Piece of shite. It’s mind blowing OSU allowed him to come back to the team
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:49 pm to Red Stick Tigress
quote:
can remember a male cousin being very immature at the age of 15.
I wasn't exactly the most mature kid at 15 but you know what?
I was dating chicks my own age and trying to get in those guts not some little girl.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:50 pm to Red Stick Tigress
Obviously no one will ever know what happened, but why I think there might be a good chance that he's innocent is that the mom was in a custody battle and eventually lost custody. How many moms actually lose custody of their kids? There must be more to the story with her if she actually lost custody of the child.
Also the fact that he passed polygraph test and had always said he was innocent weighs big. And I know it's popular to say "I would never plead guilty to molestation if I was innocent", but if you put yourself in his position and are facing 12 potentially biased jurors in liberal progressive Seattle that could absolutely destroy the rest of your life, or taking a plea deal that means your life is back to normal in only five years, I think I'd take the plea deal.
I actually have a 6 year old daughter and while I don't think she would make up these kind of details out of thin air, I do know that a mother could feed her this information or that the mother could tell someone that "this is what her daughter said" when she might not actually ever have said it.
I don't think we'll ever know if it happened. I feel bad for the kid if he's innocent.
Also the fact that he passed polygraph test and had always said he was innocent weighs big. And I know it's popular to say "I would never plead guilty to molestation if I was innocent", but if you put yourself in his position and are facing 12 potentially biased jurors in liberal progressive Seattle that could absolutely destroy the rest of your life, or taking a plea deal that means your life is back to normal in only five years, I think I'd take the plea deal.
I actually have a 6 year old daughter and while I don't think she would make up these kind of details out of thin air, I do know that a mother could feed her this information or that the mother could tell someone that "this is what her daughter said" when she might not actually ever have said it.
I don't think we'll ever know if it happened. I feel bad for the kid if he's innocent.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:50 pm to Pelican fan99
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It’s mind blowing OSU allowed him to come back to the team
They're down a lot of national titles to big brother and have nothing else going for them in their athletic department that brings in money. Soooo....
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:52 pm to LSUintheNW
If he gets drafted I gotta think minor league ballparks will eat him alive...
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:53 pm to Beavers 36
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he passed polygraph test
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Worthless because he was never asked about that victim and those incidents. They asked whether he had molested anyone else in the family.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:53 pm to lsupride87
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Some doctors/psychologists said the child would crack and the cops would see through it
Some said the child with a young mind can convince themselves something that didn’t happen did, to the point in which it becomes reality. Especially if they had an adult coaching them
I can see both being true. If the lie originated from the child, they'd have a hard time sticking to it. If an adult told them repeatedly something happened, I can see it becoming their reality.
I think Heimlich is guilty, however there is a chance that he's not and took the only option he had to avoid jail time with 100% certainty. That would be hard to turn down if it is your word against a cute child's in front of a jury.
Tough call here.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:56 pm to terd ferguson
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If he gets drafted I gotta think minor league ballparks will eat him alive...
Big if considering the farm teams really push for a family environment. You already know that though.
But yeah, I know if the Diamondbacks draft him I'll visit the A team in Oregon and heckle him.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:56 pm to Beavers 36
quote:For a mom to lose custody here in LA, and not even have shared custody, she has to be a drug addict or criminal
but why I think there might be a good chance that he's innocent is that the mom was in a custody battle and eventually lost custody. How many moms actually lose custody of their kids? There must be more to the story with her if she actually lost custody of the child.
Not sure how it would be in Washington state though so I cant comment there
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:57 pm to lsupride87
Nobody but him and the little girl can be 100% certain he did it. But, I'm not going to read an article that takes his side and say I'm at 50/50 either. I'm also not going to come up with a completely unsupported theory that it was all a setup when there is no evidence for it.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:57 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:I am with you, except I am 50/50.
I can see both being true. If the lie originated from the child, they'd have a hard time sticking to it. If an adult told them repeatedly something happened, I can see it becoming their reality.
I think Heimlich is guilty, however there is a chance that he's not and took the only option he had to avoid jail time with 100% certainty. That would be hard to turn down if it is your word against a cute child's in front of a jury.
Tough call here.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:02 pm to Jake88
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Nobody but him and the little girl can be 100% certain he did it. But, I'm not going to read an article that takes his side and say I'm at 50/50 either. I'm also not going to come up with a completely unsupported theory that it was all a setup when there is no evidence for it.
Since you are on other side than me, I am going to report what I beleive to be unbiased facts from both sides. I want you to correct me if I am wrong
I understand some of which I post will be hearsay and anciliary, but we arent in court we are just talking about opinions
For guilty
Little girl says it happened
Lukes brother was able to be convinced by his ex wife to go to the cops
Little girl was able to convince cops she wasnt making it up
Luke in court accepted a guilty plea
For innocent
Luke;s court appointed psychiatrist said he maintained innocence the entire time and believes he was not a threat to children
The mother had lost custody of the child, and was the person who first brought about the childs complaints
There was no physical evidence of any abuse nor were there ever any other witnesses of suspicious behavior
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:10 pm to lsupride87
quote:She did tell her father and he took her to an advocacy center where a forensic interview of the child took place. That is where the legal proceedings began, with Dads report and two years after the divorce was finalized.
Jake, why did the daughter always go to the mother who didn’t even live with the child or have custody as opposed to telling her actual custodial parent?
Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:17 pm to lsupride87
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Luke;s court appointed psychiatrist said he maintained innocence the entire time
The guilty folks don't go around saying they did it. I would fully expect him to deny deny deny whether he did it or not.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:19 pm to LSUintheNW
quote:Ehhh
The guilty folks don't go around saying they did it. I would fully expect him to deny deny deny whether he did it or not.
Maybe in public
I would have thought a 15 year old would open up over a year speaking to a psychiatrist. Or at least show cracks that the psychiatrist would possibly see thru
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:22 pm to lsupride87
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would have thought a 15 year old would open up over a year speaking to a psychiatrist
You think your attorney father would think that?
I find it hard to believe you think that. It's a disgusting charge. I don't see most people opening up about such a thing.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:23 pm to lsupride87
quote:I don't believe this is accurate. The girl convinced dad and he took the legal action. This was two years after the divorce was finalized.
Lukes brother was able to be convinced by his ex wife to go to the cops
quote:She convinced more than cops and apparently has never wavered.
Little girl was able to convince cops she wasnt making it up
quote:We don't know why but that doesn't make her a suspect for fabricating this because we don't want to think Luke could do such a thing. There is no evidence for fabrication.
Luke;s court appointed psychiatrist said he maintained innocence the entire time and believes he was not a threat to children [/quote any perpetrators maintain their innocence even when caught in the act. This means nothing. The psychiatrist suggests he's lower risk for recidivism in the future. Means nothing about what he did in the past.[quote]The mother had lost custody of the child, and was the person who first brought about the childs complaints
quote:There's not likely to be any concrete physical evidence if the molestation doesn't come to light for weeks or months later. As far as witnesses, pedophiles get away with large numbers of victims over many years unwitnessed. A lack of witnesses is not a surprise.
There was no physical evidence of any abuse nor were there ever any other witnesses of suspicious behavior
Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:23 pm to LSUintheNW
quote:I have no clue he isnt a fricking psychiatrist
You think your attorney father would think that?
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