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re: Opinion on Coach O

Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:22 am to
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48231 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:22 am to
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I'm simply offering my opinion that I would like to see the name calling and nastiness stop with the season closing in. 


you cant get it from that side.
you and I have disagreed many times. have we ever failed to not be cordial?

you cant have a cordial disagreement with the O over everything crowd.
unless its Rose's and bubbles 24/7, or you've already proclaimed the hire as a massive success they will personally attack you or make claims that you want lsu to lose under O or that yoire ruining the program.


take First Cut for example.....
he has repeatedly said the offensive staff did a great job last year. what exactly is any normal person supposed to do with that stance? you disagree and use facts to back up your claims while he posts about you when you're not even in a conversation with him like he was doing with me earlier.


Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
108517 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:23 am to
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Im cool with Coach O staying 8 years and doing what he can with his recruiting classes.
quote:

After last season he deserves our loyalty for 5 more years.

Posted by mhc4tigers
Member since Aug 2016
4577 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:24 am to
Disagree. The talent pipeline in place is just about at a point that LSU will be a sustainable contender. The influence of Joe Brady will build over the next three to five years The RPO and our facilities and success will continue to produce top 5/10 recruiting classes. Orgeron has established a national recruiting footprint. Which LSU has to do especially for Oline and DLine. Whatever.

Unless there is huge improvement on the offensive line .. from below average to bad last year .. to above average this year. Finally figure out how to,execute zone blocking scheme. SEC top 3 say LSU will not beat Bama.

Our defensive line has been very average for three or four years.. both talent and depth. We now have a couple of true nose tackles for the first time in Aranda tenure. If Shelvin and Ika. Perform at a high level it will make all of the difference.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48231 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:25 am to
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After last season he deserves our loyalty for 5 more years.


so 3rd in the sec west and not being competitive against bama gets you 5 more years?

why exactly did we fire miles then?

we finished 3rd or better in 5 of his last 6 years
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
108517 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:27 am to
I don't have the answers, Rick. I wish I did. I somehow manage to have civil, yet sometimes spirited, disagreements with those guys without it getting too heated and going over the line. shite, I've even given a lot of credit to Buckeye Jeaux and Pensacola for not engaging with vulgarity and nastiness with me.

Side note: Looks like AlxPin aka PensacolaTgr has been banned again. It sure is funny when he claims that's the only account he's ever had and then gets banned within a month.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48231 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:30 am to
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Orgeron has established a national recruiting footprint. 


let's atleast get 1 class signed with lost of national recruits and then a second one before we claim something is established.

you would think you O over everything posters wouldve learned to stop counting your wins before they happen
- Kiffin as the oc ooos
- 10 wins in 2017 oops
- top 10 class in 2018 oops
- 10 win regular season in 2018 oops
- top 2 class in 2019 ops


let's hope you're right
Posted by tcollinsballins1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2019
5 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:30 am to
What we gonna drop and dump a coach every 3 years before he can get his culture set in and his classes come through. you dumb little kid.

after a projected 6-6 seasons and we go 10-3 when we easily could have gone 12-1? you dont want to let him do his thing?

Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48231 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:33 am to
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don't have the answers, Rick. I wish I did. I somehow manage to have civil, yet sometimes spirited, disagreements with those guys without it getting too heated and going over the line. shite, I've even given a lot of credit to Buckeye Jeaux and Pensacola for not engaging with vulgarity and nastiness with me



except every one of them has taken a shot or 2 at you simply because you can have cordial discussions with the other side of the fence.


quote:

Side note: Looks like AlxPin aka PensacolaTgr has been banned again. It sure is funny when he claims that's the only account he's ever had and then gets banned within a month. ?


he makes the same mistakes every time.

he comes in and acts way too familiar.

legit new posters dont come in and IMMEDIATELY start attacking other posters
Posted by mhc4tigers
Member since Aug 2016
4577 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:37 am to
The reflexive Orgeron bashing is getting very old.. when Orgeron compliments the offense or offensive coaching he is being humble and showing great leadership by in a positive way sharing credit It is leader speak in a good way. It creates a positive environment builds confidence and builds the team of the coaching staff.

Orgeron making public negative comments and or not sharing credit would be bad leadership. This is not the NFL. He bashed our lineman after the Bama game. He did not need to we know our line of scrimmage talent and execution is pretty far below Bama. We know that. What is the point of further embarrassing our kids.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48231 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:42 am to
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The reflexive Orgeron bashing is getting very old.


how is that bashing?


I said let's wait until we actually have a national class signed and then a second one before claiming O has ESTABLISHED a national recruiting brand.

quote:

when Orgeron compliments the offense or offensive coaching he is being humble and showing great leadership by in a positive way sharing credit It is leader speak in a good way. It creates a positive environment builds confidence and builds the team of the coaching staff. 


who has a problem with O making positive statements?
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Orgeron making public negative comments and or not sharing credit would be bad leadership. This is not the NFL. He bashed our lineman after the Bama game. He did not need to we know our line of scrimmage talent and execution is pretty far below Bama. We know that. What is the point of further embarrassing our kids.


what the hell are you talking about?

also, O has thrown numerous players under the bus before. what exactly are you trying to say?
Posted by p&g
Dixie
Member since Jun 2005
12995 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:46 am to
No he hasn’t.
Quit lying.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:47 am to
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You probably shouldn't take this stuff so personal

I've noticed all the anti Os seem to have major anger problems.


Ok...I have to ask, why is this type of behavior enjoyable for you, or anyone for that matter?

My only reason for being here...for being on any message board from way back in 1999 on Tiger Roar...was the ability to be able to have conversations with other LSU fans about the programs. Back then, before people really understood that it was best to be anonymous on the internet, I was eager to have people know who I was and to have them know personal info about me...because the point of this for me was to have interesting in depth conversations with people who were interested in the same thing. Actually knowing people a little better helped with that. The message board simply made the room larger...you got to have these conversations with fellow fans you'd likely never meet due to distance and time. It was great.

But what's the point of any of that if the people you're trying to have conversations with openly lie about what you've said? Why would that be interesting and want to keep a poster around who is lied about, and what kind of an a-hole finds entertainment value in knowingly lying about another poster? If I constantly ran around mentioning that time you said you had sex with that dog, you'd be less likely to want to engage with me and less likely to continue to post here. You'd be even less interested if instead of policing that kind of behavior from me, the board admins seemed more interested in policing unpopular opinions rather than shitty debate tactics which made it damn near impossible to hold any meaningful conversation with anyone.

As for being angry...I'm no more angry at you than I hate Ed Oregon. (I'll wait around to see what douche copies and paste the last four words of the last sentence to prove I hate our coach...or the last four of this one for that matter.) I'm disappointed that anyone would be so interested in attempting to win any argument, let alone one with someone they don't actually know on the internet that they'd knowingly lie about their position. Prove me wrong...win the debate by being correct. I've conceded points before when I've been shown I was incorrect. It's what reasonable adults do. But lying and straw-manning a position is the verbal equivalent of cheating. While I'm flattered that you acknowledge that you need to cheat in order to win an argument with me, unless and until the board bothers to shut down this type of tactic, it makes for the type of heated threads we've gotten to at this point. At that, yeah...I'm a bit angry about. The board ought to be better.

You guys dislike threads devolving into chaos? It's not the differing opinions being offered. It's the wanton ability some have here to say anything they want without it being corrected or having any consequences on their ability to continue to post here.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48231 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:51 am to
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No he hasn’t. 
Quit lying.




Do you follow lsu football or do you just come on the rant and whine?



no need to answer... everyone knows the answer
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 8:55 am
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48231 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:53 am to
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let alone one with someone they don't actually know on the internet that they'd knowingly lie about their position. 


roger has proven time and time again that he gets his sense of self worth from this place.

he thinks
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:08 am to
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And I’ll add something I have no doubt you’d agree with as well.

Whatever my misgivings or lack of trust I have in Orgeron’s abilities or methods, I would never actively root for him to fail or for LSU to lose in order to end his tenure.


I've said this as well. MANY times. It's either blatantly ignored, or I'm told I'm lying. I've been religiously following LSU football since I was 12 years old in 1982. All I want for the program is unbridled success...and I don't care who leads them to that. The fact that in my opinion Orgeron is not capable of that does not mean I want him to fail. it means I think he will. It's not a difficult concept, and it's NOT splitting hairs. It's just language. I want to win the lottery. The fact that I think it's unlikely doesn't mean I want to not win it.

But what do you do with posters either ignoring direct answers or just telling you that you're lying about your own stated opinions? At some point, if what I actually say on here is ignored or blindly suggested I'm not telling the truth about my OWN opinions, then why bother to write anything at all? why not just have the guys with whom we're debating write posts sets of posts and be done with it?

Or just no one post at all here? That'll be a hell of a revenue generator for the site, right?

quote:

But I have so much respect and good will toward players such as Joe Burrow, Grant Delpit, Rashard Lawrence, Fehoko, CEH, Lanard Fournette, Terrace Marshall, and endless others on this team, not to mention for the purple and gold colors they wear in the stadium I’d be buried in if I could choose to do so, that whatever feelings I have about Orgeron don’t even cross my mind when they come out of that tunnel.


Yep. It's all about LSU the program. It's no different than when I was a kid.

quote:

The only time he crosses my mind at all is when this board is inundated with fluff about where we are under him and revisionism about where we were before the sequence of events which brought him to his current position as the head coach of the LSU Tigers football program.


He crosses my mind more than that, because I'm the "LSU guy" in my circle so I'm constantly asked about him by locals who don't really follow the program but somehow think highly of him with no context.


Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
108517 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:12 am to
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except every one of them has taken a shot or 2 at you simply because you can have cordial discussions with the other side of the fence.

If it's who I think you're referring to, I don't take him seriously. Every time he comes at me with that stuff, he ends up looking like a horse's arse and the only people that agree with him are obvious alters and/or trolls.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
108517 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:18 am to
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My only reason for being here...for being on any message board from way back in 1999 on Tiger Roar...was the ability to be able to have conversations with other LSU fans about the programs.

quote:

I'm disappointed that anyone would be so interested in attempting to win any argument, let alone one with someone they don't actually know on the internet that they'd knowingly lie about their position. Prove me wrong...win the debate by being correct.

Preach, brother. Preach!

The point is discuss things with people, especially those that you may disagree with. Who cares about "winning" an internet argument on an anonymous sports message board? The best thing about discussing things here is learning stuff you wouldn't otherwise have thought of.

I have the utmost respect for your view of the reasoning for posting here.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60901 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:21 am to
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This year is the year.




I haven't been on the rant in months, just thought I would drop in just before the season starts to make sure this would be the first response.

I was not disappointed.

THIS IS THE YEAR again for the 12th straight year
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290780 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:26 am to
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roger has proven time and time again that he gets his sense of self worth from this place.

he thinks


At least once a week you challenge someone to a fight based on something they said on a message board. If anyone lives & breathes this, it’s you.

Outside of your buddy in banland, madking aka bagel guy, there hasn’t been anyone as insecure as you that posts on tigerdroppings in the 20 years I’ve posted here
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22968 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:30 am to
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he has put together a great staff


He has?
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