re: Opinion on Coach O

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Regardless if you like him or not, he’s done a better job than anyone expected. He has my support mainly because he kept us from becoming irrelevant after Miles.

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Expectations for LSU football coach are 2-part issues; what we expect of the man, and what we expect of the job.

Orgeron has "exceeded expectations" thus far, because he prevented a slide... and that's because we didn't think very much of him in the first place. Ok, fine and dandy, we avoided becoming Tennessee. O wasn't a disaster.

Now, part 2 comes into play- what we expect of the job. And that's contention and winning the SEC again. O hasn't done that, yet. If he does, he's met expectations and was the right man. If not, he's a placeholder. This is the year we start to find out which one he is.

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Thee wide or more with the QB in the shotgun is the very definition of the spread

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I would disagree. If there's a tight end attached to the line, I don't consider that a "spread" concept. Or if it's 3 WRs and 2 RBs in the backfield that stay into block, that's not really spreading the field either. That's closer to max protect IMO. Spread to me is 4 or more receivers separated from the line and all are running routes. Obviously a TE or even 2 can be involved if they are split out from the line.

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This year is the year. If he doesn’t make the SECCG or CFP with this year’s team, he never will.

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I disagree, he has to challenge for the SECCG. By that I mean coming with-in "plays of being SEC Champs. Pushing the Tide to the final series. Winning the SEC would be great and LSU has a great chance. But we haven't really been that close lately.

You can argue that you’d like to see more of the newer spread concepts, and I’d agree with that. But in 2018, what LSU ran the most, was three wide with the TE running routes. It was the spread, like it or not.

BTW, I apologize for my phrasing of the 7 blockers comment. You didn't even insinuate that. I completely misspoke. What I really was trying to say is that the spread offense was created to get as many defenders out of the box as possible. Having a TE attached to the line or having two RBs next to the QB doesn't do that.

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But...again...I'll state what I think. I personally do not like the man. I never have. I did not trust him as a honest guy when he was with other programs, I disliked the way he treated LSU when he was elsewhere in terms of recruits, and I generally find the guy distasteful. But I don't hate him. I'm not sure I care enough about him, or anyone for that matter, to work up actual hate.


But...my issues with him as LSU's coach are not merely born of my disliking him as a person. I found him to be wildly unqualified to even be considered as LSU's coach, and so did most everyone else even through most of the 2016 season. I still do. The fact that he has not tanked the program does not suddenly, retroactively, make Joe Alleva a fricking genius for hiring a guy that literally not even Syracuse would interview. The odd thing is that all it took for most LSU fans to forget what they'd thought about the guy was for him to stretch on a purple LSU polo and say "Geaux Tigers." Which means they never disliked him back then for any real reason, or they are as flighty as 12 year old school girls.

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As always GTTM, outstanding post.


I feel and have posted almost those exact sentiments.


And I’ll add something I have no doubt you’d agree with as well.

Whatever my misgivings or lack of trust I have in Orgeron’s abilities or methods, I would never actively root for him to fail or for LSU to lose in order to end his tenure.


As you said, the word “hate” doesn’t apply i the way I think about someone I’ve never even met.

But I have so much respect and good will toward players such as Joe Burrow, Grant Delpit, Rashard Lawrence, Fehoko, CEH, Lanard Fournette, Terrace Marshall, and endless others on this team, not to mention for the purple and gold colors they wear in the stadium I’d be buried in if I could choose to do so, that whatever feelings I have about Orgeron don’t even cross my mind when they come out of that tunnel.


The only time he crosses my mind at all is when this board is inundated with fluff about where we are under him and revisionism about where we were before the sequence of events which brought him to his current position as the head coach of the LSU Tigers football program.


I’ll exit this thread again and watch the clowns spill out of the car to attack and tear apart and accuse this post as “hating” and “wanting LSU to fail

Using the refs as an excuse is weak. Auburn fans say the only reason we won that game was because of the refs on the last drive.

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Still the liar and fool that made you famous. Answer the question, do you still think LSU failed in the second half against SELA because they ran max protect, as you have asserted all summer? 

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at no point did I say Southeastern was because of max protect.

link it.

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Thee wide or more with the QB in the shotgun is the very definition of the sprea

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you have no fricking clue what youre talking about

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The notion that he was frequently left to block is RickyFantasy.

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And we were having a good discussion that I was very interested in. There goes that idea. Rick doesn't offer much help here either with some y'all though.

We can all do better. The season is almost here!

I agree with you on those points and usually in general I agree. I'm simply offering my opinion that I would like to see the name calling and nastiness stop with the season closing in. But, that's just my opinion. It's a free message board and everyone should post what they want.