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re: One observation on Kiffin
Posted on 11/6/25 at 1:17 pm to IM_4_LSU
Posted on 11/6/25 at 1:17 pm to IM_4_LSU
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Arkansas while not a good team overall is a very good offensive team. They gave fits to nearly every team they’ve played this year outside ND.
Arkansas is certainly frisky team and can be dangerous, but let's be real. Any team that has aspirations to contend for a title and make the playoffs is expected to beat Arkansas, and it is a massive disappointment if they don't.
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So we’re going to dissect his wins now? Outside maybe Ohio State there isn’t a top flight team that just dominates every game like in years past. Ole Miss has already proven they can compete with the top teams this season (see UGA). They very well might lose in their first playoff game but they made it.
I mean that's really the only thing to do is to evaluate wins and losses. Who have you played and how have you played? Kelly would still be the head coach here if we played at Kentucky instead of Vanderbilt and Auburn at home instead of A&M. Outlook of the program would be entirely different right now if we're heading into Bama week 7-1.
Not trying to disparage other programs, but that is a cold hard fact and you know it. Those are just the cards that we were dealt which is fine, but that definitely needs to be taken into consideration when saying it doesn't matter who you play.
Also, is that really the bar that we want to set? Just happy to make it to the playoffs even if we lose in the first round? That may be fine and dandy in Oxford, but it certainly ain't the expectation here.
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Let’s stop putting down other programs to elevate ours. Because quite frankly Ole Miss is the better program right now. Plus with all the other extra drama going on we are a complete dumpster fire and no decision is needed.
Look man, LSU has been very disappointing the last few years, but our program is superior as a whole. Ole Miss hasn't officially made the playoffs yet. They've never even made it to the SEC Championship. Even if they did, LSU has won 3 titles this century with 3 different head coaches and played for another one with 5 conference titles to add.
Let's pump the brakes on disparaging our program and what it has accomplished even though there is a lot of work to be done. This season, sure Ole Miss is playing better than we are, but outside of a Peach Bowl victory two years ago, they haven't fared any better than us. We're 3-3 vs. Kiffin since he became coach, so this isn't us against Bama and Saban we're talking either
This post was edited on 11/6/25 at 1:22 pm
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Posted on 11/6/25 at 2:02 pm to Sheriff Brackett
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Arkansas is certainly frisky team and can be dangerous, but let's be real. Any team that has aspirations to contend for a title and make the playoffs is expected to beat Arkansas, and it is a massive disappointment if they don't.
Point is irrelevant as they beat them. As did A&M even with struggling with them. Elite teams run into a game where they just don't have it and find a way to win.
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Who have you played and how have you played? Kelly would still be the head coach here if we played at Kentucky instead of Vanderbilt and Auburn at home instead of A&M. Outlook of the program would be entirely different right now if we're heading into Bama week 7-1.
Incorrect. No one is evaluating who you have played. SOS means absolutely nothing now. Georgia has benefited for years on a weaker SOS and made the most of it. Winning is all that matters. Kelly was not fired just because he was 5-3 this year. It was the manner in which he lost and what he was doing with the program. The turmoil had gotten tired. The loss to A&M was the straw that broke the camels back. They were looking for a reason to move on SMH.
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Just happy to make it to the playoffs even if we lose in the first round? That may be fine and dandy in Oxford, but it certainly ain't the expectation here
I never said that is the bar to set. We haven't come close to making a playoff since winning the Championship I think anyone would want to be back in the playoff at this point. Can't win the Championship without making the playoff.
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Look man, LSU has been very disappointing the last few years, but our program is superior as a whole. Ole Miss hasn't officially made the playoffs yet. They've never even made it to the SEC Championship. Even if they did, LSU has won 3 titles this century with 3 different head coaches and played for another one with 5 conference titles to add.
Let's pump the brakes on disparaging our program and what it has accomplished even though there is a lot of work to be done. This season, sure Ole Miss is playing better than we are, but outside of a Peach Bowl victory two years ago, they haven't fared any better than us. We're 3-3 vs. Kiffin since he became coach, so this isn't us against Bama and Saban we're talking either
All your points are based on history. LSU is the better program historically but not currently and failure to realize and understand that is laughable. This is not 20 years ago the landscape has changed and the advantages that used to be in place are no longer there. Now add in the fact how much of a shite show we have in place and it just pours salt in the wound.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 2:39 pm to IM_4_LSU
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Point is irrelevant as they beat them. As did A&M even with struggling with them. Elite teams run into a game where they just don't have it and find a way to win.
I don't understand what's irrelevant. If you are going to contend for a title in 2025, I would expect that team to beat Arkansas or find a way to win as you put it. Period. End of sentence. I think most people would agree with that.
I can still have concerns even after wins yet you act like that shouldn't be the case. Winning helps a lot of things, but that doesn't mean you are infallible.
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Incorrect. No one is evaluating who you have played. SOS means absolutely nothing now. Georgia has benefited for years on a weaker SOS and made the most of it. Winning is all that matters. Kelly was not fired just because he was 5-3 this year. It was the manner in which he lost and what he was doing with the program. The turmoil had gotten tired. The loss to A&M was the straw that broke the camels back. They were looking for a reason to move on SMH.
You didn't even argue against my point. All you did is say INCORRECT!! I'm not arguing about getting into the playoffs and the rankings. Obviously, the committee doesn't care about any of that stuff. I am talking about who you play matters when it comes to perception of the program and if you are a contender. Bottom line: if we played Kentucky and Auburn as opposed to Vanderbilt and A&M, we would be 7-1 right now and not having this conversation. We would be talking about playoffs and not about what head coach we are going to hire. If you think otherwise, that is laughable.
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All your points are based on history. LSU is the better program historically but not currently and failure to realize and understand that is laughable. This is not 20 years ago the landscape has changed and the advantages that used to be in place are no longer there. Now add in the fact how much of a shite show we have in place and it just pours salt in the wound.
Buddy, go back and look at Ole Miss's record since Kiffin got there in 2020. They are 44-18 and we are 40-23. We actually won the West and played in the SEC Championship. We are 3-3 against Kiffin and Ole Miss, this program you find so superior. That's not far off at all. What the hell are you talking about??
Posted on 11/6/25 at 2:55 pm to TigerGrad03
Am I missing something again? I thought Rousse came out this morning and confirmed Verge is the guy.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 3:59 pm to Sheriff Brackett
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I don't understand what's irrelevant. If you are going to contend for a title in 2025, I would expect that team to beat Arkansas
Which they did. Which is why your point is irrelevant.
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I can still have concerns even after wins yet you act like that shouldn't be the case. Winning helps a lot of things, but that doesn't mean you are infallible
That is not what I am saying. Yes you can have concerns. But you're just saying you are unimpressed with their wins you're not bringing up certain positions or players. You're just saying you are not impressed with a single win they have had and played a few teams closer than they should. Well they won the games if they finish the season 11-1 and make the playoff that is a win. You cannot win the Championship if you can't get to the playoff.
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f we played Kentucky and Auburn as opposed to Vanderbilt and A&M, we would be 7-1 right now and not having this conversation.
Not necessarily. This team struggled with Florida, La Tech, and South Carolina. That had everyone unhappy. We likely lose to Auburn with the way their defense plays and the struggles our offense has. Context matters, that we can agree. Us just playing Kentucky and Auburn does not mean those are victories for us. We are just as likely to have split those games just as we could have easily lost to South Carolina or Florida.
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Buddy, go back and look at Ole Miss's record since Kiffin got there in 2020. They are 44-18 and we are 40-23.
Context matters. Lane took over a program that went 4-8 and as you pointed out Ole Miss has been a program that has been down for a while. Really since they let go of Hugh Freeze. Then in a quick turn-around had Ole Miss in a NY6 bowl something Kelly did not do. Sure they have gone 3-3 against us and if you believe that makes it "equal" then you are fooling yourself.
I don't find the program "so superior" btw. I can just admit that they are the better program currently and are in a better spot than we are. Especially in the current landscape of College Football and our political disaster.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 4:42 pm to IM_4_LSU
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Which they did. Which is why your point is irrelevant.
Good. They did what they were expected to do. They were favored against a shitty Arkansas team who is now dead last in the conference and won. You may want to, but I don't count that as some great win. Hardly think that's the same as beating Bama, A&M or Texas. The one good team they faced (UGA) they lost.
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But you're just saying you are unimpressed with their wins you're not bringing up certain positions or players. You're just saying you are not impressed with a single win they have had and played a few teams closer than they should. Well they won the games if they finish the season 11-1 and make the playoff that is a win. You cannot win the Championship if you can't get to the playoff.
So what if Ole Miss goes 11-1 and makes the playoff? Doesn't mean that they are a great team or even worthy of that spot. Their schedule is terrible. Indiana went 11-1 last year and got the killed by the two teams that were actually competitive.
You're right that I am not impressed with any of Ole Miss's wins. If we had their schedule, we would still be in the running for the playoffs right now with BK still as our coach. I don't think they are going to win the championship. Could they? Sure, but they haven't done anything to prove to me that they can. They blew a 9-point lead at Georgia and got outscored 17-0 down the stretch and pissed down their leg when it mattered. If you want to count OU, then go right ahead, but they will also lose to Bama next week, maybe Mizzou too and end up with at least 4 losses.
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Not necessarily. This team struggled with Florida, La Tech, and South Carolina. That had everyone unhappy. We likely lose to Auburn with the way their defense plays and the struggles our offense has. Context matters, that we can agree. Us just playing Kentucky and Auburn does not mean those are victories for us. We are just as likely to have split those games just as we could have easily lost to South Carolina or Florida.
I also think we can agree that playing Kentucky on the road isn't nearly as tall of a task as playing Vanderbilt this year. Auburn is also terrible, and if we swap the A&M home game out for that one, we take that one since it's at home. Either way, it's a much easier feat to accomplish.
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Context matters. Lane took over a program that went 4-8 and as you pointed out Ole Miss has been a program that has been down for a while. Really since they let go of Hugh Freeze. Then in a quick turn-around had Ole Miss in a NY6 bowl something Kelly did not do. Sure they have gone 3-3 against us and if you believe that makes it "equal" then you are fooling yourself.
I don't find the program "so superior" btw. I can just admit that they are the better program currently and are in a better spot than we are. Especially in the current landscape of College Football and our political disaster.
I mean that is the definition of equal (.500 against your opponent over 6 seasons with similar overall records during that timeframe) Sure, I think they are the better program THIS SEASON. Maybe if we had their schedule it would be different. But I don't put too much stock into the fact that they won a Peach Bowl in those 5 years and we didn't. I would put winning the West and beating Saban in 2022 on the same level if we're being honest, which is also something they haven't accomplished this decade either.
Again, records are basically identical and that was with O running the program into the ground and with 2 of the worst teams we've had this century.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 4:51 pm to Silvermoon
Very reason Hope LSU doesn’t hire this clown, your observation isnt about X’s & O’s it he hasn’t “trolled” on social media?
Ya let’s hire that guy to a guaranteed contract.
Ya let’s hire that guy to a guaranteed contract.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:39 pm to Sheriff Brackett
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Good. They did what they were expected to do. They were favored against a shitty Arkansas team who is now dead last in the conference and won. You may want to, but I don't count that as some great win. Hardly think that's the same as beating Bama, A&M or Texas. The one good team they faced (UGA) they lost.
No one is considering the Arkansas a “great win.” I was responding to you saying you expect a Championship level team to beat Arkansas which they did. It’s not a great win, but it’s also a team that has given many people struggles due to their offense. A&M beat them by 3. Doesn’t mean it’s a great win but it hardly points toward them having a problem either.
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So what if Ole Miss goes 11-1 and makes the playoff? Doesn't mean that they are a great team or even worthy of that spot. Their schedule is terrible. Indiana went 11-1 last year and got the killed by the two teams that were actually competitive.
Their schedule isn’t terrible or comparable to Indiana’s last season. Ole Miss has a SOR of 7 this season and a SOS of 24. Indiana had a SOS of 63 last season. You’re giving opinions and passing them off as facts.
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we would still be in the running for the playoffs right now with BK still as our coach
Again, that is your opinion not a fact. Ole Miss against their “lesser” opponents have looked far better than we have against our lesser opponents. Against common opponents they have looked better and when we played they were the better team offensively and defensively.
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If you want to count OU, then go right ahead, but they will also lose to Bama next week, maybe Mizzou too and end up with at least 4 losses.
Lmfao so everyone sucks got it. Only UGA, A&M, and Bama are good teams. Even though all of those teams struggled with bad teams at times this season and just like Ole Miss have flaws.
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I would put winning the West and beating Saban in 2022 on the same level if we're being honest, which is also something they haven't accomplished this decade either.
Lmfao your opinion doesn’t make it a fact.
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I mean that is the definition of equal (.500 against your opponent over 6 seasons with similar overall records during that timeframe) Sure, I think they are the better program THIS SEASON.
They’ve been the better program for the last 3 seasons. Again context matters you keep wanting to point to overall 3-3 but want to dissect all their victories but yet just want to point to a blanket 3-3 record to show equal. Arkansas beat us 2007, 2008, & 2010. Does that mean from 07-10 they were the better program? No. You’re having a very biased opinion and cannot come to the realization of where the programs are and have been.
I’ll pray for you. God bless you.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 8:03 pm to Silvermoon
Has he trolled Florida? Genuinely asking, haven't kept up.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 9:32 pm to Sheriff Brackett
quote:I don't know if he comes, but I think he's still in play.
People can dismiss it all they want, but he is going to give this job serious consideration.
There was a reason he got hired by the Raiders, Tennessee and USC; dude's a brilliant football mind.
There's also a reason he left each place in disgrace, he's been a huge frickhead.
He's very comfortable at Ole Miss right now, and it really seems like he's got his shite together finally. If he has, he may well be the best coach in the game. Do not ignore the fact that he has Ole Miss punching above their weight class every year... they aren't Big 6. They're basically South Carolina otherwise.
Lane might be safe at Ole Miss, but he knows what LSU can be, and he knows Orgeron (a guy he knows well) was able to do it once here. Lane might think "if O can get there, I could get there and stay there". And that little nugget might eat at him. He'd have to sell it to his kids, but I think they know who their dad is.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 10:58 pm to IM_4_LSU
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Their schedule isn’t terrible or comparable to Indiana’s last season. Ole Miss has a SOR of 7 this season and a SOS of 24. Indiana had a SOS of 63 last season. You’re giving opinions and passing them off as facts.
You can spew whatever subjective formula ESPN throws your way, but outside of UGA, Ole Miss’s SEC opponents are a combined 10-28 in conference games. The other teams they played have a combined record of 15-19. That is a fact. Not an opinion.
Don’t need ESPN’s SOR or SOS numbers to tell me that isn’t very good.
Also just for reference, our SEC opponents are 27-19, so a little bit of a different story. Ole Miss’s remaining SOS is also 56th and ours is 13th.
If you think ESPN’s indexes prove otherwise, that is also your opinion. Not a fact.
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Again, that is your opinion not a fact. Ole Miss against their “lesser” opponents have looked far better than we have against our lesser opponents. Against common opponents they have looked better and when we played they were the better team offensively and defensively.
Buddy, I’ve never said that we are better than Ole Miss. We are not a good football team this year. I’m saying that based strictly on our schedule vs. theirs, they haven’t been tested like we have and that we would be 7-1 if we had played Kentucky and Auburn/Miss State or some other school in the bottom half of the conference with a much different outlook.
Regardless of what you may think, it is a fact and not my opinion that it would be significantly less difficult playing those teams as opposed to two teams currently ranked 3 and 16 in the CFP poll. You are correct in that we’ll never know, but I feel fairly confident in those games as opposed to our current slate.
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Lmfao so everyone sucks got it. Only UGA, A&M, and Bama are good teams. Even though all of those teams struggled with bad teams at times this season and just like Ole Miss have
After watching OU play football this year, I think it is safe to say they aren’t very good either.
Before you say anything, yes that is my opinion, but I think it’s safe to say I’ll be proven to be right on that one at the end of the year.
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Lmfao your opinion doesn’t make it a fact.
Again, this is also your opinion as well. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on the definition of equal. To me, going 3-3 in your matchups this decade and having incredibly similar records (40 wins vs 44 wins overall) means that you are on par with each other. You seem to take the definition quite literally. If winning the Peach Bowl is better than winning the West in your book, that is also your opinion and doesn’t make it a fact.
I just don’t think the margin is that wide if that is what you think is the trump card.
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They’ve been the better program for the last 3 seasons. Again context matters you keep wanting to point to overall 3-3 but want to dissect all their victories but yet just want to point to a blanket 3-3 record to show equal. Arkansas beat us 2007, 2008, & 2010. Does that mean from 07-10 they were the better program? No. You’re having a very biased opinion and cannot come to the realization of where the programs are and have been. I’ll pray for you. God bless you.
Lmfao You talk about context yet fail to provide any yourself. Arkansas was much better in the mid to late 2000s. In two of the three years we lost to them, we went 8-5 in 2008, and Arkansas was No. 12 and went to the Sugar Bowl in 2010.
They were also the No.3 team in the country in 2011 at the end of November. Obviously, we were the better program. We won a title and played for another. Just don’t think that’s out of the realm of possibility to lose to any of those teams in those years regardless of if you are a better program or not.
But whatever bro. I’ll pray for you too. Go with Christ brah.
This post was edited on 11/6/25 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 11/7/25 at 12:50 am to Silvermoon
He also hasn’t thrown much shade at Florida.
He may be troll at times but he isn’t stupid.
He may be troll at times but he isn’t stupid.
Posted on 11/7/25 at 4:57 am to Sheriff Brackett
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outside of UGA, Ole Miss’s SEC opponents are a combined 10-28 in conference games
OU is 7-2 and off the top of my head I believe they are 3-2 in the SEC. You have the opinion they suck but that doesn’t make it true. It’s like talking to a wall.
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In two of the three years we lost to them, we went 8-5 in 2008, and Arkansas was No. 12 and went to the Sugar Bowl in 2010.
This invalidates everything you said. They didn’t make a bowl game in 2008. So us going 8-5 means nothing. They fired their Coach. 2007 they were an 8 win football team. Sure they were better than they were now but again going 3-1 against us doesn’t mean they were a better program. But by your metrics it does.
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But whatever bro. I’ll pray for you too. Go with Christ brah.
I’ll choose to take this as you being serious and not being sarcastic and showing disrespect to Christ and myself. Have a good one.
Posted on 11/7/25 at 6:55 am to IM_4_LSU
He's not immature anymore. However, it's hard to contain the devil in him for long though. He will spew something from time to time! ??
Posted on 11/7/25 at 7:59 am to Tifway419
You are correct. The decision making by the Powers that be, give me ZERO hope that they’re going to bring home a WINNER. Not a “Could be”, not a “he’s young and has great upside “ but a WINNER, and Offensive Guru. It’s Lane Kiffin or Choice B, C, D, E, F, G., in my opinion. You get him. He’s our next Saban.
Posted on 11/7/25 at 8:15 am to Silvermoon
I think he will go to florida. The job is just as good if not better than LSU and he already coached/lived in the state.
Posted on 11/7/25 at 8:17 am to IM_4_LSU
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OU is 7-2 and off the top of my head I believe they are 3-2 in the SEC. You have the opinion they suck but that doesn’t make it true. It’s like talking to a wall.
This is their combined record in conference games. OU has 3, LSU has 2, Florida has 2, Miss State has 1, Kentucky has 1, Arkansas has none. As I said, it is my opinion.
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In two of the three years we lost to them, we went 8-5 in 2008, and Arkansas was No. 12 and went to the Sugar Bowl in 2010.
Again, comparing apples and oranges. These are two totally different situations.
We were a bad football team in 2008 that lost 5 games and we lost to another bad football team that lost 7 games that year. Crazier things have happened. It is your opinion that us going 8-5 means nothing that year.
Arkansas used to be a good program during that span (made the SEC Championship game in 2006, preseason No. 21 in the nation with one of the greatest running backs in CFB history that was in Heisman contention in 2007, Sugar Bowl in 2010, No. 3 ranking and Cotton Bowl win in 2011). They certainly weren't bad. Our trump card is that we won a championship and played for another one. Pretty big card to play.
Your trump card is that Ole Miss won four more overall games than us over a 5 year span, is .500 against us since Kiffin got there and won a Peach Bowl. Again, that is your opinion that they are a better program.
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I’ll choose to take this as you being serious and not being sarcastic and showing disrespect to Christ and myself. Have a good one.
Honestly thought you were being sarcastic, so I was sarcastic back. It was a good debate. I wish you well. Hopefully, whoever comes in can fix this mess so we don't have to debate something like this ever again.
Posted on 11/7/25 at 8:28 am to Silvermoon
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you don’t pay someone roughly 50M to go away without bringing in a big gun
Exactly! BOS and Verge please remember this.
Posted on 11/7/25 at 8:29 am to Sheriff Brackett
We are 5-3. Ole Miss is 8-1. Don't pick apart their wins. Dissing their schedule doesn't make us look any better.
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