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re: On3 - “Dude (Nuss) can sling it. I want to make sure you leave this segment knowing that,”

Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:15 am to
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
12011 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:15 am to
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Stop with the ignorance..




With the new OCs and lack of defense, there is a good chance his two year passing yards will exceed Daniels. I doubt his one year stats will exceed Daniels last season.
It may depend on the defenses we face.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28440 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:27 am to
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considering jayden's numbers last year, its kind of a retarded statement to make as some sort of smart prediction. not being a dick to you but trying to make the point, nuss can throw for 4600 yards, 69%, less than 8 or 9 ints and that is fricking elite territory for a down field passer.



It's not meant to be a "smart prediction" or a slight against Nussmeier (as you appear to have taken it). I'm simply saying that with a larger variety of routes (and possibly more passing attempts) it's likely the completion percentage will be lower than the tremendous 72% Daniels has last season. Also, throwing more routes in congested areas of the field will likely result in more INTs.

However, absolutely NONE of that was said to somehow suggest Nussmeier will have a bad year, or will even be a bad QB. It's that the passing game (and offense as a whole) will likely look significantly different because Nussmeier and Daniels are two different players with two different sets of strengths and weaknesses.

I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28504 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:46 pm to
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Thats the difference between great QBs and Daniels. Nuss will make the receivers better. Daniels was made because of the receivers.

Nabers and Thomas were getting wide open and to be honest with a better QB both could’ve even had better seasons.
oh Jesus Christ
Posted by Sissidog02
Member since Jan 2020
5369 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:53 pm to
Here we go!?!
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
12011 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:53 pm to
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Nabers and Thomas were getting wide open and to be honest with a better QB both could’ve even had better seasons.


I remember the offensive coach saying, they practiced throwing the ball to a spot on the field, dictated by the defense, and the receiver went and got it.
Like with Burrow and Chase, it often appeared to be so.
Whatever, it was effective.
Posted by Sissidog02
Member since Jan 2020
5369 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:03 pm to
But how can he stay at LSU being better than JD5. Daniels won Heisman, 4000yds passing, 1200rushing, 40TDs 4int, 10 rshTDs, and will be a Top 3? Draft pick.
Now if Nuss is better common sense he’s a Top 10 pick and not be here.
If here the following season means obviously he wasn’t better. The math doesn’t add up. I’m all in on Nuss but dreading the comparisons from this board on every play will be excruciating.
Posted by s2
Southdowns
Member since Sep 2016
5573 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:07 pm to
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If you would’ve told me 10 years ago we would be in this position?



LesMiles = les QB's



Posted by 4x4tiger
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2006
2930 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:39 pm to
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He’s basically going to be a combination of all the best attributes of Joe Burrow, Jayden Daniels, and Tom Brady all in one. It’s going to be the best college football season for a college QB ever.


I like your optimism or whatever opioid you're on. But let Nuss be Nuss and let the chips fall where they may
Posted by TigerDM
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
1605 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:51 pm to
I certainly don't say we will be better, but fortunately for us we could be. Nuss throws a better deep ball and screen than JD, but nowhere near as good on the intermediate passes which tend to be a large amount of the throws. For the passing offense to be better, we have to have more deep threats step up besides Lacy and Nuss can't throw into coverage like he has in the past.
Posted by Carbonman
Butte la Rose
Member since May 2022
555 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:51 pm to
Nuss just may be a bust much like Miles Brennan. Hurley, Swan and Underwood may wind up being better. The fact that BK and Sloan brought in Swan and the walk on tells me THEY are not sold on Nuss yet.

Hope I am wrong.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26699 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 3:00 pm to
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NUSS will be better than Daniels next year.(passing game wise)

Daniels had over 3800 yards and 40 TD to 4 ints in 12 games. He didn't play at all in the 2nd half of 2 games, didn't play in a quarter of the Bama game, and set out late vs Auburn and Miss St. He essentially put up those numbers in less than 11 games. At an ungodly 11.7 yards per attempt average, over the last 15 years (as far back as I could go on one site), only one QB averaged higher than that, and he played for Coastal Carolina.

Let's say Nuss throws for the 2nd highest yards per attempt last year (10.7). He would have to throw the ball 356 times to match what Daniels did in 327 passes. Let's say he finishes with the 5th highest ypa from last season (9.6) He would need to throw it 397 times. Since Nuss will be checking down way more to the RBs, TEs, and slots, his yards per attempt definitely be way lower.

TD passes are even crazier. Essentially 40 TD passes in 11 games where 5 TD passes, off the top of my head, were dropped during the season. Burrow had 60 TD passes in 2019. After the first 12 games, he had 44 TD passes. He threw those 44 TD passes in 401 attempts, so 1 TD pass every 9.11 pass attempt. Daniels had 40 TD passes in 327 attempts. That means he had a TD pass in every 8.17 pass attempts.


If you look at efficiency, Daniels had an insanely higher yards per attempt than Burrow, and averaged a TD pass a full one attempt difference better than Burrow. Theoretically saying, if Daniels threw for 401 attempts in his first 12 games like Burrow did, he'd have thrown for 4690 pass yards and 49 TDs and 5 ints. Burrow, at that same point, threw for 4366 yards 44 TDs and 6 ints.


TL;DR mothafricka, are you out yo damn mind?
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26699 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 3:17 pm to
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You realize Nuss have 400 yards only passing against one of the best defenses LSU played all year
The fact that you think Wisconsin has a good defense, is hilarious to me. When you play Nebraska, Northwestern, Iowa, and Illinois all year, anybody defense looks good.
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While also coming from behind 14 points to win.
That was great for Nuss and LSU, but they only needed 31 to win. Daniels lost games where the defense gave up 42, 45, and 55 points IN REGULATION!
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That was more impressive than anything Daniels did all year.
Daniels had 390 yards and 3 TDs in 3 quarters vs Bama. Nuss had 395 yards and 3 TDs in a full game vs Wisconsin...

He also had 390 yards and 4 TDs in a win on the road vs a team that finished 11-2 and beat Ohio St in their bowl game. A game where he scored 2 game saving TDs (both big plays), AFTER he hurt his ribs

He also got concussed and knocked out the Bama game, only to come back the very next week and put up 52 points and break an NCAA record that got his jersey forever enshrined in the college football Hall of Fame. You know the game where he put up 372 yards and 3 TD passing (Nuss 395 yards 3 TD), AND 234 rush yards and 2 TDs?
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26699 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 3:22 pm to
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Nuss will be a top 3 QB drafted after this season.

I'll say top 5 QB if he leaves after only one year.
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No one in the SEC can even pass it all over the field like he can.
This is just flat out wrong. The SEC has several QBs that can do that. Weigman at TAMU, Ewers at Texas, Arnold at Oklahoma, Nico at Tennessee, and Beck at UGA for starters.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
14437 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 3:32 pm to
I have been a Nuss fan since watching his HS film before he signed with LSU. I was also concerned with some of the struggles JD had in 2022 with stretching the field and reading defenses.

However, reading through this thread it's clear some don't fully understand how big a jump JD made from 2022 to 2023. His deep ball and timing was as good as any QB in CFB. His ability to read defenses and make correct decisions was at or near the top. TD/INT ratio, completion percentage, YPA, big play ratio and nearly every metric were near the top of CFB without any consideration of his running ability.

The only reason JD was not a unanimous Heisman winner was the defense prevented LSU from being a playoff team.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26699 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 3:43 pm to
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I'll be here to remind y'all JD had Nabers and BTJ as upperclassmen to throw it up to.

Nabers YAC = big yards for JD
How about just watch a highlight vid of big passes being dropped in a bucket 20+ yards downfield multiple times every game.

YAC is great, but even the best YAC WR won't net you a ton of yardage. If I remember right, Nabers led all WRs, but even he only had something like 350 yards after catch.

I'll remind you that CJ Daniels is from Liberty and Lacy is from Lafayette. I'll let you know that Thomas played at Miss St (SEC). I'll let you know Hilton has been here for 3 years. Your likely top 4 WRs for next year are a 3rd year player, 4th year player, and two 5th year players. Oh Taylor TE is a 3rd year player, and the #2 RB will be a 5th year player. Also, 3 of the 5 starting OL, have started at least 90% of the 27 games over the past 2 seasons. The fourth OL has started 19 of the 27 games
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
12011 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 7:12 pm to
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Daniels had over 3800 yards and 40 TD to 4 ints in 12 games.


How many games had Daniels played prior to his arrival at LSU?
Daniels needs no hype, he proved it on the field.
But don't try to equate Nuss and Daniels at this point. They aren't equal in opportunity/experience.

Posted by Jugular Joe
Member since Jan 2020
4335 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 7:26 pm to
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If you would’ve told me 10 years ago we would be in this position, I would’ve laughed your arse out the room.


10 yrs ago, try 5 yrs ago.

Going into 2019 we really had no clue what was about to transpire at the quarterback position for LSU.
Posted by TrueTigerTale
Zachary, La.
Member since Sep 2011
19318 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:16 pm to
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I like your optimism or whatever opioid you're on. But let Nuss be Nuss and let the chips fall where they may


LSU fans debating which elite LSU quarterback had the receivers that made them look better than what they were. I’d rather focus on how each quarterback was elite in his own way.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26699 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:20 pm to
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How many games had Daniels played prior to his arrival at LSU?
Daniels needs no hype, he proved it on the field.
But don't try to equate Nuss and Daniels at this point. They aren't equal in opportunity/experience.

What does this have to do with anything I said? I'm showing him that to do what Daniels did, in essentially 11 games, would be an astronomical feat, meaning, Nuss ain't doing that. Daniels was putting up better efficiency numbers than Burrow. To do what Daniels did, Nuss would have to be better than Burrow and Daniels and that isn't a tall order, that's asking for the moon and stars from a first year starter. I could see him throwing for 3800 yards over the course of 13 games with about 32-34 TD passes.
Posted by QB
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
4262 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:26 pm to
Come on man. I love Nuss, but he doesn't have the receivers JD5 had, and JD5 was extremely accurate throwing last year. Nuss by mid year, will be very very good, if his receivers are as good as we hope they are.
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