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re: Old Dude's LSU's Best Backs from each Decade
Posted on 8/20/17 at 7:27 am to lsufball19
Posted on 8/20/17 at 7:27 am to lsufball19
Call me old but no Dalton Hillard or Kevin Faulk
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Posted on 8/20/17 at 8:48 am to EXPLAYER
quote:they are in the OP FWIW.
Call me old but no Dalton Hillard or Kevin Faulk
This thread has taken a life of its own. All I was asking for was a little help in 2000-2010 and; 2010- today.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 8:53 am to kevv824
quote:Mine for most valuable to his team was Hester since there really wasn't a true 3-4 year guy like Faulk or Fournette. I threw Toefield in there because the cat was very very good.
Old Dude's LSU's Best Backs from each Decade
quote:
2000's - Hester
Should be any number of backs rather than Hester.
Joe, Alley, Dominick, Stevan, all were very good backs.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 8:55 am to klrstix
Taylor & Cannon!!!
Posted on 8/20/17 at 9:42 am to Tiger1988
2000s Domanick Davis/Joseph Addai IMO
2010 Buga/Guice I wouldn't put Guice up there with him yet until he has a breakout season this year.
2010 Buga/Guice I wouldn't put Guice up there with him yet until he has a breakout season this year.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 9:49 am to LSUBeaux88
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LF7 is the best at running hard and fast through a wide open hole. Guice is better at everything else.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 11:48 am to lsu2006
So, it has become fashionable to brand LF as "overrated" based on the last half of his Sr. season (when he was injured)?
Do folks have no memory?
Fournette was one of the best RB's in college FB history. Les Miles did him no favors with his offense and injuries marred his senior season.
Likewise, unlike Cecil Collins and others, Hester was very good for a very long time. Much like Faulk, D. Hillard, Addai.
Do folks have no memory?
Fournette was one of the best RB's in college FB history. Les Miles did him no favors with his offense and injuries marred his senior season.
Likewise, unlike Cecil Collins and others, Hester was very good for a very long time. Much like Faulk, D. Hillard, Addai.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 11:48 am to Lsupimp
addai is the only only answer for the 2000's. broussard may have been had he not hurt his knee.
the lf7/guice debate is laughable.
guice - 37 carries for 285 yards against a shite defense.
lf7(with an ankle sprain) - 16 carries for 284 yards against a shite defense.
gimmee a frickin break. guice breaking that record is nothing but an orgeron fiasco. one reason why i still dont like the guy.
taylor, cannon, faulk and lf7 are our greatest rbs. production>talent.
lf7 is the most talented, but only playing 3 years and missing some time and playing hurt his 3rd year keeps him from being head and shoulders above the other 3.
the lf7/guice debate is laughable.
guice - 37 carries for 285 yards against a shite defense.
lf7(with an ankle sprain) - 16 carries for 284 yards against a shite defense.
gimmee a frickin break. guice breaking that record is nothing but an orgeron fiasco. one reason why i still dont like the guy.
taylor, cannon, faulk and lf7 are our greatest rbs. production>talent.
lf7 is the most talented, but only playing 3 years and missing some time and playing hurt his 3rd year keeps him from being head and shoulders above the other 3.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 11:54 am to LSUBeaux88
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LF7 is the best at running hard and fast through a wide open hole. Guice is better at everything else.
Yeahhhh........ wide open..
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This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 11:59 am
Posted on 8/20/17 at 12:25 pm to Hot Carl
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Hot Carl
Give me A back from that decade that was better and more CLUTCH when it mattered most........
Posted on 8/20/17 at 12:28 pm to Lsupimp
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Addai was even harder/ tougher imho than Hester. I will never forget watching him singlehandedly wreck UF in Gainesville
And Hester didn't singlehandedly destroy UF in 2007??? He became an LSU LEGEND that night... No other back had A performance as great as that in ONE game in the 2000's than Hester did that night/....
Posted on 8/20/17 at 12:30 pm to LSUBeaux88
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Why don't you express your view and back it up with real data and facts
Raw data and facts completely destroy your opinion.
quote:
I think you might be the one who is in danger of not being taken seriously.
sure thing sweetheartThis post was edited on 8/20/17 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 8/20/17 at 1:41 pm to Madking
This may be true, but Guice's biggest problem is that he was at LSU during the same time as LF.
Not disputing LF's stats.. and he was/is awesome, but Guice is a very good back and if he stays healthy all season, could have a fantastic season.
Not disputing LF's stats.. and he was/is awesome, but Guice is a very good back and if he stays healthy all season, could have a fantastic season.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 1:53 pm to LSU91MBA
Would Harvey Williams be considered 1990s or 80s? He was pretty damn good and a first round pick in 1991.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 2:03 pm to kylesch87
I finished up the comparison of Fournette vs. Guice that I mentioned. All of the raw data is on a google doc here: LINK Apologies in advance for any readability issues.
Methodology is fairly simple: Take the carries and rushing yards against each team on the schedule, subtract the stats that Fournette and Guice put up against them, and calculate average yards per carry against each team minus those two. Multiply average yards per carry allowed by the number of carries each back had against that team that season. That gives the expected rushing yards in each game given the number of carries each back had. Total up the expected rushing yards, compare to the actual yardage total for each player, and divide by number of carries to see how much better than average each player played. I took out games against Sam Houston State and Jacksonville State, due to problems with comparing statistics for teams at a lower level of play, but I don't think it impacts the final results too much.
Or, to put it more simply, how much better did they do than an average back would have done with the same carries against the same opponents.
Given Fournette's carries and opponents, an average running back would have been expected to put up 2551.7 yards on his 603 carries. LF7 actually totaled 3738. This is an incredible 2 yards per carry above average.
Guice, on 215 carries, has an expected 946.8 yards. He actually put up 1668 yards. As good as Fournette's yards above average was, Guice's is an even more amazing 3.4 yards per carry above average.
There are potential pitfalls with these numbers. For one, Guice has a much smaller sample size than Fournette; that makes a big difference in this kind of an analysis. For another, we have no way of knowing how offensive scheme and defensive attention changed for each player. Given that both backs were playing for the same team in run-heavy schemes, I don't think there's anything too terrible about making this kind of comparison, but I'd hardly consider it gospel truth either.
Methodology is fairly simple: Take the carries and rushing yards against each team on the schedule, subtract the stats that Fournette and Guice put up against them, and calculate average yards per carry against each team minus those two. Multiply average yards per carry allowed by the number of carries each back had against that team that season. That gives the expected rushing yards in each game given the number of carries each back had. Total up the expected rushing yards, compare to the actual yardage total for each player, and divide by number of carries to see how much better than average each player played. I took out games against Sam Houston State and Jacksonville State, due to problems with comparing statistics for teams at a lower level of play, but I don't think it impacts the final results too much.
Or, to put it more simply, how much better did they do than an average back would have done with the same carries against the same opponents.
Given Fournette's carries and opponents, an average running back would have been expected to put up 2551.7 yards on his 603 carries. LF7 actually totaled 3738. This is an incredible 2 yards per carry above average.
Guice, on 215 carries, has an expected 946.8 yards. He actually put up 1668 yards. As good as Fournette's yards above average was, Guice's is an even more amazing 3.4 yards per carry above average.
There are potential pitfalls with these numbers. For one, Guice has a much smaller sample size than Fournette; that makes a big difference in this kind of an analysis. For another, we have no way of knowing how offensive scheme and defensive attention changed for each player. Given that both backs were playing for the same team in run-heavy schemes, I don't think there's anything too terrible about making this kind of comparison, but I'd hardly consider it gospel truth either.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 7:11 pm to kylesch87
Getting them from our box scores at LSUsports.com. I'll double check and post the pages.
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 8/20/17 at 7:57 pm to LSUBeaux88
quote:
Why don't you express your view and back it up with real data and facts.
Go back and watch the Norte Dame game. Fournette was the best player on the field as a true freshman and it wasn't even close.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 9:21 pm to LSUBeaux88
Say you are the coach and your team needs a touchdown to win. You are on the 1 yard line and only have one chance. Who do you give the ball to? Fournette or Guice?
Posted on 8/20/17 at 9:24 pm to Madking
Posted on 8/20/17 at 10:18 pm to Tiger1988
IMHO, Charlie4Heisman was the best RB I've seen at LSU. Was a years-ahead-of-his-time combination of speed & power.
Wasn't around to see the guys in the 60s & earlier, sounds like Cannon was very similar.
Wasn't around to see the guys in the 60s & earlier, sounds like Cannon was very similar.
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