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re: Ol Daddy Dale still finds a way to have a “look at me” moment
Posted on 1/22/23 at 9:04 pm to mdomingue
Posted on 1/22/23 at 9:04 pm to mdomingue
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I never suggested otherwise. This is what WW did wrong in the context of what gets you skewered by the NCAA. The program may still get in trouble, but the HC has some insulation from the charges.
But the school gets punished and LSU may be clean in your eyes, but the program was worse off when he left when he came in and John Brady had to scrounge for players at a time when there was no portal.
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Posted on 1/22/23 at 9:32 pm to John cocktoasten
That old coach thinks so highly of himself. I’ve never seen someone have that big of an ego and do so little. If you can’t do anything for Dale then he doesn’t give a shite about you. His recruiting violations set us back many years and really is the reason we’ve had issues for so long.
The only person I despise on the same level is Collis temple. Those two combined have screwed over LSU Athletics and most notably the basketball program for decades.
I would love to see the Gunter - Brown court as opposed to what it is now. Maybe they can name it after Mulkey after she wins three titles and retires and Dale is long gone.
The only person I despise on the same level is Collis temple. Those two combined have screwed over LSU Athletics and most notably the basketball program for decades.
I would love to see the Gunter - Brown court as opposed to what it is now. Maybe they can name it after Mulkey after she wins three titles and retires and Dale is long gone.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 6:30 am to doubleb
quote:True, little known fact, LSU's record the year after Pete left was better than either of LSU's records the first two years Pete was here. We were 10-8 that year in the SEC, just two years before Dale took over in conference and as you pointed out Dale did not accomplish as good or better of a record than that until his sixth year here.
We were going nowhere although we did manage a huge win in the AC over Kentucky his last year and a winning SEC record the year after Pete left.
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 6:32 am
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:13 am to Tiger Ugly
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True, little known fact, LSU's record the year after Pete left was better than either of LSU's records the first two years Pete was here. We were 10-8 that year in the SEC, just two years before Dale took over in conference and as you pointed out Dale did not accomplish as good or better of a record than that until his sixth year here.
That is not saying much, believe me. Those were Press’ players FWIW.
We never had a winning SeC record until he cheated and went got Rudy and assistant coach Ron “the money ain’t mine” Abernathy from Louisville KY when nobody got recruits like Rudy from there. The money was likely funneled to those players through the coaches. Abernathy was caught with a brief case full of money in Mississippi (Maybe Chris Jackson???) on 1 recruiting trip.
Then the money for players like John Williams, who hung out with bookies at the track as a “financial advisor” and was paid to his mom something on the order of 150000-250000. In fact UCLA had already bought him and then he got more money from LSU.
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 7:57 am
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:20 am to John cocktoasten
Dale was very similar to Wade. Got the players but didn't know what to do with them during a game.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 8:00 am to The Mick
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Dale was very similar to Wade. Got the players but didn't know what to do with them during a game.
If you mean bought them, you’re right. If you mean coaching them, Wade was far an ahead better at coaching them up. When Wade got his style of player you saw how devastating LSU was defensively and rebounding. What Wade lacked was the ability to make in game adjustments. He was still pretty darn young too so there was time.
If what is true about him coming back, I see him as taking over and burning some people through recruiting very quickly at a program like Vandy for example.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 8:29 am to John cocktoasten
Most appreciate Dale. He wasn’t close to squeaky clean and pushed boundaries quite often. Certainly backed his players.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 8:34 am to The Mick
quote:Dale even had Tex Winter as an assistant for the 83-84 team, but wouldn't let him help. Dale was too much of a control freak and egomaniac. And that team had a TON of talent, yet finished 18-11.
Dale was very similar to Wade. Got the players but didn't know what to do with them during a game.
Dale is all about Dale.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:45 am to PNG Futbol
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Dale could not stand lsu to have a real coach and winner.
Dale Brown didn't like John Brady?
Posted on 1/23/23 at 10:14 am to Kracka
When I was 13, Coach Brown was like a father that I never had. He was a champion on the underprivileged. He fought as an underdog and he wore purple and gold.
I always listened to his post game interviews especially after a tough heartbreaking loss. Dale was a motivator and was a cheerleader. I truly believed he cared for people.
I will miss Dale when he leaves this Earth. He is not perfect. No one is. I’m glad he coached LSU for 25 seasons. I will always love coach brown.
I always listened to his post game interviews especially after a tough heartbreaking loss. Dale was a motivator and was a cheerleader. I truly believed he cared for people.
I will miss Dale when he leaves this Earth. He is not perfect. No one is. I’m glad he coached LSU for 25 seasons. I will always love coach brown.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 10:41 am to Klingler7
John Tudor used to tell this story a lot. He said that the team once spent a whole practice on the last play of the game, over & over again. Then, 2 games later that scene developed & Dale had the team circle & hold hands & Dale started chanting " Team Team Team " & tossed the clip board to the floor without one reference to the play they had practiced on. Chaos ensued & they never got the ball inbounds.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 10:53 am to Keltic Tiger
quote:I witnessed something very similar. It was a TV game and we were down by 1 with about 20 second left with the ball.
John Tudor used to tell this story a lot. He said that the team once spent a whole practice on the last play of the game, over & over again. Then, 2 games later that scene developed & Dale had the team circle & hold hands & Dale started chanting " Team Team Team " & tossed the clip board to the floor without one reference to the play they had practiced on. Chaos ensued & they never got the ball inbounds.
The TV camera was in our huddle the entire time and all Dale said, over and over, was "we're going to win this game!!" but didn't discuss any play or offensive set at all.
We ended up inbounding, didn't run any play or set, just freelanced, put up a bad shot, and lost.
That was Dale. Yes, a master motivator, but a bad x-and-o coach.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 10:56 am to mdomingue
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When Dale Brown took over, LSU had not been to an NCAA tournament in 20 years and had only ever been twice with Bob Petit
I loved the 80's with Dale, but to be honest durring most that time we didnt go the tournament only had 16 teams. Didn't go to 32 until 1975 and 64 in 1985 I think.
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 11:00 am
Posted on 1/23/23 at 10:58 am to doubleb
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This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 11:03 am
Posted on 1/23/23 at 11:03 am to Tiger1988
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If you mean bought them, you’re right. If you mean coaching them, Wade was far an ahead better at coaching them up.
You can say that, but Dale's 1986 Final Four run with an 11-seed was pretty legendary and remains so 35+ years later.
They were the lowest seed to ever make the Final Four and another 11-seed didn't accomplish that for 2 decades. Very few teams (if any) had as many obstacles as that LSU team had when it came to players not being able to play for one reason or another. Til this day, LSU is the only #11-seed in tournament history to defeat the 1, 2 and 3 seed in their bracket to reach the Final Four. And beating the #1-seeded Kentucky team (that was riding a 14-game winning streak and had beaten LSU 3 times during the year) to advance to the Final Four was incredible.
Dale clearly underachieved the year he had CJ and Shaq along some other times when he had better talent. He always said he wasn't a great Xs and Os coach (and he wasn't). But like him or not, at times he was as good as anyone at motivating his teams and getting everything he could out of them.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 12:09 pm to Keltic Tiger
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Dale had the team circle & hold hands & Dale started chanting " Team Team Team " & tossed the clip board to the floor without one reference to the play they had practiced on. Chaos ensued & they never got the ball inbounds.
Dale would let them mike him up whenever they wanted and stuff like this was caught on camera alot..by that I mean not even talking about what's happening on the court just talking about Love and team and stuff like that.
One I can remember is he starts telling the players who to guard and one of them has to finally tell him - we have the ball coach.
I think he had/has ADHD before everyone on the earth got diagnosed with it, he was not one that could stay focused on one task for long and he often seemed bored by basketball and the details that came with it.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 12:37 pm to Big EZ Tiger
quote:motivation is important, and Dale was great at that aspect, but it takes more to be a truly great coach.
Dale clearly underachieved the year he had CJ and Shaq along some other times when he had better talent. He always said he wasn't a great Xs and Os coach (and he wasn't). But like him or not, at times he was as good as anyone at motivating his teams and getting everything he could out of them.
Hell, Dale couldn't even win the conference with Chris Jackson, Shaq, Stanley Roberts, Maurice Williamson, Vernel Singleton, etc. And that team choked away a 17-point lead in losing to Ga Tech in the NCAA Tourney second round.
Dale was best with a good, but not great roster. He could motivate them to play above their level.
But with elite talent, he had to be able to x-and-o them to greatness, and couldn't do it.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 12:44 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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It might have been over the top, but emotions were running high when he did so. Brown got a call from a player's mom who had to leave the team due to a cancer diagnosis and she asked if Dale would go speak at a fundraiser because her son was dying and they were running out of money.
Dale used Gestapo Bastards and many and varied comparisons of the NCAA to members of the Nazi Party (compared them to Josef Mengele for example) much more than once and not just right after this story you detail happened...it was not a one off he uttered once and never used again.
And yes he did many good deeds for many good folks but for me he was still out of line using this example and I'll challenge it anytime someone commends him for using it. Not even close to a valid comparison and again IMHO insulting to the literally millions of people terrorized and killed by these Nazi organizations.
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 1/23/23 at 12:51 pm to atltiger6487
quote:Not sure why you're getting downvoted. It's an absolute fact, Dale was not a great x's and o's coach. Strong recruiter tho...
Dale even had Tex Winter as an assistant for the 83-84 team, but wouldn't let him help. Dale was too much of a control freak and egomaniac. And that team had a TON of talent, yet finished 18-11.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 1:07 pm to atltiger6487
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Dale was best with a good, but not great roster. He could motivate them to play above their level.
But with elite talent, he had to be able to x-and-o them to greatness, and couldn't do it.
Yeah, he motivated the hell out of some of those lesser talented teams, but didn't have the same success sometimes with teams that should have been more successful based on the talent level.
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