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re: Off-season Weights/Conditioning
Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:08 am to TigerStripes30
Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:08 am to TigerStripes30
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i remember that team didnt have very many injuries if any at all...I also remember them doing something ive never seen a football team do....that was yoga...
Yoga or some other form of exercise where stretching is the emphasis instead of just done in preparation for the workout needs to be implemented in every football program. Most of these guys put emphasis on stretching as a Pre and Post workout routine however yoga is different in that it IS that days workout.
This post was edited on 1/4/19 at 9:12 am
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Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:09 am to TigerStripes30
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i remember one key fact about the 07 NC Team. i remember that team didnt have very many injuries if any at all...I also remember them doing something ive never seen a football team do....that was yoga...
That team was physically beat up late in the year. Glenn Dorsey for one was hurt in the Auburn game (cheap chop block) and wasn’t the same until the Ohio State game. There may not have been many major injuries but they were hurt and especially that defense in the Arkansas game was not the same that played against Virginia Tech.
In the national championship they were completely healthy and proved what they could do when they were.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:11 am to atltiger6487
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And if strength is so important, why don't world-class weightlighters, or those Scandnavian worlds strongest men play in the NFL?
wait wait
Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:19 am to kwf9
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turns up the juice
They need to be using to some high-level "juice" if they really want to compete with top teams.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:22 am to kwf9
All I know is if you re-watch the UCF you will notice a lot of tigers laying on the ground hurt.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:31 am to kwf9
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turns up the juice
ISWYDT
Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:41 am to kwf9
There are several players that need to be put on a strict diet and all the linemen on both sides of the ball need to get stronger.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:53 am to kwf9
Yes hopefully so. I think Scott Cochran and the guys in Tuscaloosa are doing a little more with their workouts especially with squats. M&F had an article about their workouts a while back. Of course they have plenty of depth to work with so more of their guys will 'pan out' in that area. But we'll have better depth with more guys to develop on the lines this off-season too. And yep I also recall the '07 team doing yoga and other years where our D linemen did judo training. Hopefully they're still doing some of that because flexibility & range of motion def helps.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:59 am to Htowntiger90
I agree, they need some agility and aerobic training, the o-line was huffing and puffing on the first series. I've felt they weren't in good enough shape all year.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:23 am to OppositeMan
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But, yeah, what Bama is doing seems like a no-brainer. I'm just not sure most other teams CAN do what they're doing, because most other teams don't have the tools at their disposal.
How does only bama get discount prices on deer antler spray?
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:38 am to TigerStripes30
quote:seems he is focusing only on the "strength" half of Strength & Conditioning. Both are important.
Sounds like you have never played a sport in your life...S&C are a huge part...A player can be put in the right position every time and if he is gasping for air because he is out of shape...he will not make the tackle,block,run etc.
Strength: can mask mistakes, mitigate them, or make it so easy you don't make them in the first place. For example, an OT is about to give it up and get the corner turned on him because because his footspeed was too slow. He throws his arm out: does that stop the DE due to brute force? Does it cause him to sit on his arse because his lower body isn't strong enough to hold up off balance?
Conditioning: Here's the thing people forget about conditioning... when you get physically tired, you make mental mistakes. When you're sucking air, your brain isn't working quite right. Which also leads to a lack of effort (taking plays off). You can run through plays over and over in practice, but when the mind is hurting maybe that OG false starts, maybe that WR chooses to go out instead of double move deep, maybe that QB is just a split second slow on his reads. Conditioning keeps the stud player a stud. Conditioning makes the average player a hero when the opponent is sucking wind.
Y'all have mentioned some major things already regarding S&C improvements. I'll add 2 to those:
- Bama is running a NFL style S&C program; they are telling recruits that, and if you want to get to the NFL this is where it starts. So you get buy-in before they step foot on campus. (Y'all mentioned player participation). Their player goals are specific and lofty. You don't just have to hit a certain weight with X number of reps, as the other poster said you'll have to do it while maintaining a certain body fat %, range of motion, and flexibility. That's what I mean by specific and NFL style.
- The position coaches have a role to play. Moffitt and company need feedback from the coaches in terms of what are those goals and what is each individual's areas of focus. Those position coaches know the player better than the S&C staff and what the weaknesses that need to be overcome are. And another poster mentioned punishment (i.e. accountability) for lack of participation or meeting goals- that comes from the position coaches, who are ALSO punished (or should be) for their squads not meeting goals.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:40 am to atltiger6487
quote:everyone can keep on downvoting, but having the very best S&C program in the country would only give us a fractional benefit over the good teams we play.
to all the downvoters, you do realize that all of our opponents also have top-notch S&C programs too, and their players are working out over the off-season too.
Alabama, Florida, Auburn, A&M, etc. all probably have elite S&C programs too. Everyone is getting stronger and faster. If we're a little better than them, it's just fractionally, not a material difference.
Now of course I want our S&C program (and every other aspect of the program) to be the very best so we can have every advantage, no matter how small, but this one is on the fringe of what can push us to the next level.
The vast, vast, vast majority is elite recruiting, player development (technique and putting them in the right position), scheme, gameplanning, and motivation.
Again, I'm NOT saying S&C isn't important, only that it's not a primary aspect of getting us to the next level of success.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:45 am to kwf9
Everyone loves Moffitt in August and hates him in November.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:51 am to GumboPot
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How does only bama get discount prices on deer antler spray?
They buy in bulk from a pro-Bama vendor...my guess, anyway.
Most sketchy program ever, imo.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:53 am to Jack Daniel
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Everyone loves Moffitt in August and hates him in November.
I think this was the case, and for good reason. But now things are changing, and he's going to continue to be more and more under the microscope.
We played several teams this year, aside from Bama, who appeared to be stronger and more physical than us. We need results.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:19 am to atltiger6487
You have good points about technique and other facets of the game but you are dead wrong about the importance of the strength and conditioning part. Your technique takes a hit when your conditioning is bad and you get tired. Just watch the o-line and d-line when they get tired, they don't fire off and get that push they need to execute the play and be successful. I'll make this analogy, if you watch boxing and mma fighting, the conditioning of a boxer/mma fighter is invaluable in the later stages of a fight(same is true in a game), the lactic acid is wanting to build up in your body and it gets harder to move your legs(kick, elude your opponent) and arms(punching with power, clinching opponent). So conditioning, along with strength/power as I20goon mentioned, can be the difference in that mental mistake or getting beat for a sack or letting d-linemen beat you to the point of attack and blow up the run play. As a DT, if you're tired, you can't hold positions and command the double team and therefore the guard gets to the second level and creates a huge gap for rb to run through. Conditioning is very important in all sports and keeps your mind sharp and free from mistakes.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:31 am to OppositeMan
quote:Several??? Which ones??... I'll give you Florida. That's the only other game we were not as physical in.
We played several teams this year, aside from Bama, who appeared to be stronger and more physical than us.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:47 am to kwf9
Moffit ain't doing shite as usual
Posted on 1/4/19 at 12:08 pm to NWLA Tiguh12
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Several??? Which ones??... I'll give you Florida. That's the only other game we were not as physical in.
Maybe not several were more physical, you're right.
UF probably was...Auburn is a toss-up...Faggies were close, especially as the game wore on...looked weaker than we should've against LA Tech, Arkansas.
Bama I can see, I guess...sort of. Hopefully this off season is one of our best in some time.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 12:14 pm to kwf9
That is one thing I have noticed for years. Bama and LSU recruits come in basically same size, etc but when they leave there is a tremendous difference. Who is to blame-dunno.
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