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Posted on 5/8/18 at 3:45 pm to OceanMan
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you got a guy that is producing similar results as the person he replaced
0 can't hold Les's jockstrap when it comes to results.
ETA: 2 dpownvotes from I assume Ree and p&g. Sorry legit facts bother yall.
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Posted on 5/8/18 at 3:47 pm to ibleedprplngld
Natty
Posted on 5/8/18 at 3:51 pm to OceanMan
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.you got a guy that is producing similar results as the person he replaced that was
Not gonna lie, with Les at the helm, that team would've gone 11-1. The schedule was pretty weak. You don't lose to State with Miles and you sure as shite don't get embarrassed by Troy or cut it close against a really bad Florida team.
I think that's what pisses a lot of fans off also. O is not getting similar results to Miles, he's doing worse. A program that replaces the coach with the best record in it's history is supposed to trend up, not down.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 3:54 pm to ibleedprplngld
U must understand that it takes time for any coach to settle in. Don’t be so critical. In Sabans first year at lsu we lost to UAB.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:05 pm to Mo Jeaux
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For god's sake, put on your big boy pants and just openly admit that O is in over his head.
At this point in time, what does that matter?
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:07 pm to ibleedprplngld
15-0. Nothing less.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:08 pm to OceanMan
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At this point in time, what does that matter?
Then don't complain about people who do so. Look, there are more even keeled fans than me here who harbor doubts but are going to just hope for the best. That's fine, my statements aren't directed at them.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:12 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Then don't complain about people who do so. Look, there are more even keeled fans than me here who harbor doubts but are going to just hope for the best. That's fine, my statements aren't directed at them.
You're a rabble rouser who enjoys stirring shite up which is fine if you haven't got anything better to do.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:12 pm to RedTigerRulz
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shite
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RedTigerRulz
When did you stop with the lame misspellings of cuss words?
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:16 pm to LNCHBOX
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When did you stop with the lame misspellings of cuss words?
did that bother you?
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:22 pm to ibleedprplngld
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Not gonna lie, with Les at the helm, that team would've gone 11-1. The schedule was pretty weak. You don't lose to State with Miles and you sure as shite don't get embarrassed by Troy or cut it close against a really bad Florida team. I think that's what pisses a lot of fans off also. O is not getting similar results to Miles, he's doing worse. A program that replaces the coach with the best record in it's history is supposed to trend up, not down.
I’m not going to disagree with any of that, I could change my wording to say worse results and it wouldn’t change the message I am conveying.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:24 pm to OceanMan
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You got guys that want him to do well and are willing to give him a chance, and you got guys that hate him, and everything in between.
I think you're misrepresented the first part of this. Or at least, only suggesting one group wants him to do well.
Hell...I want him to do well!!! Not because I like Orgeron...I don't. I'm one of those ones that will GLADLY say I dislike the man immensely and have for a long time...long before he ever put on the P&G as an LSU coach. I want him to do well because he's the head coach at LSU, and if he "does well" than that must mean LSU Football has done well. And regardless of how hard some (I'm not saying you are) attempt to suggest that there are people actively pulling against him and hope LSU loses, that's frankly horseshite.
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He simply doesn’t have the goodwill Miles had
Correct...and I think that's twofold. First, Miles was not a known failure previously at a rival SEC school. Regardless of how good is roux is, that ain't exactly a selling point for the man. Second, Miles won early and often and at a higher rate than even Saban had and won a title in year three with an overall record of 33-6. He got us to the NC again in 2011 after a run like no one had seen before. The man averaged 10 wins a seasons in the SEC. He'd earned the goodwill that many afforded him...despite having some in our fan base haranguing him from nearly day one. It also didn't hurt that Les Miles the man seemed like a decent man.
Orgeron has done nothing but be from here to garner favor from the LSU fan base as far as I can tell.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:25 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Then don't complain about people who do so. Look, there are more even keeled fans than me here who harbor doubts but are going to just hope for the best. That's fine, my statements aren't directed at them.
That doesn’t really answer the question but ok
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:28 pm to OceanMan
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That doesn’t really answer the question but ok
I thought it was rhetorical. Obviously it matters, the bad hire can't be undone. Does my ranting do anything about the situation other than expressing my belief and providing catharsis? No. Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:28 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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I think you're misrepresented the first part of this. Or at least, only suggesting one group wants him to do well.
I was trying to say there is a spectrum. But you’re right, it’s not just one dimensional. I recognize that.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:29 pm to RedTigerRulz
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You're a rabble rouser who enjoys stirring shite up which is fine if you haven't got anything better to do.
I do, but this provides me with an entertaining distraction on occasion. 
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:32 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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And regardless of how hard some (I'm not saying you are) attempt to suggest that there are people actively pulling against him and hope LSU loses, that's frankly horse shite.
In its entirety you have made one of the better posts on this topic. I believe you that you certainly want LSU to win big this fall.I think that is the feeling for the vast majority of fans who aren't crazy about Orgeron.One doesn't have to cheer for LSU this fall and love Orgeron.
However I disagree on the bolded part. While the number may be miniscule there are indeed people here, in fact in this very thread, that do want to see LSU fail and in fact fail so miserably this year that Orgeron's ouster is announced prior to the season.
Again,not many. But they're there.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:33 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Hell...I want him to do well!!! Not because I like Orgeron...I don't. I'm one of those ones that will GLADLY say I dislike the man immensely and have for a long time...long before he ever put on the P&G as an LSU coach. I want him to do well because he's the head coach at LSU, and if he "does well" than that must mean LSU Football has done well. And regardless of how hard some (I'm not saying you are) attempt to suggest that there are people actively pulling against him and hope LSU loses, that's frankly horseshite.
I think they end up conflating the idea of "want" and "can."
I think everyone wants O to do well, and some people translate their own "want" of Ed to do well into the idea that he "can" do well. It's the same thing for them.
I won't speak for everyone, but I'm pretty sure those who are critical of O don't think he "can" do it, regardless of how much they want it, or even how much O wants it. And that's where they talk and critique from. Want and Can are two different things for this group.
I'll flat out say that O going up against two more talented teams in a row is an impossible situation and that he'll never win. He's only won one tough game with an LSU team against Auburn, therefore, winning an NC is near impossible for O. He's just not that kind of coach. I think he lacks the overall vision to build a high level elite team, and nothing he's done has really proved that wrong.
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:37 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I thought it was rhetorical. Obviously it matters, the bad hire can't be undone. Does my ranting do anything about the situation other than expressing my belief and providing catharsis? No.
Fair enough, but sometimes ranting easily turns into even less productive activities
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