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re: Number of Tigers drafted telling
Posted on 4/30/22 at 3:55 pm to DC4LSU
Posted on 4/30/22 at 3:55 pm to DC4LSU
quote:How many times in the last 20 years have we had 7 players drafted? 5
Just further proof that we had a checked out head coach and 2 very poor coordinators. Last year's team had plenty of talent
2004, 2006, 2018, 2021, 2022
How many times in the last 20 years have we had more than 7 players drafted? 4
2013 - 9, 2014 - 9, 2017 - 8, 2019-14
ETA now up to 10
The fact is, having 7 or more players drafted in each of the last two years is telling but not that Ed checked out in recruiting so much as he couldn't keep a competent staff together or direct recruiting to get the needed pieces. We had plenty of talent, just not put together well as a team.
This post was edited on 4/30/22 at 5:58 pm
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Posted on 4/30/22 at 3:56 pm to Tigerlaff
Daronte may end up ok, but his lack of experience showed big time early last year. He may end up being pretty good though.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 4:00 pm to AkronTiger
Agree about Daronte. For as crappy as last season was the defensive performance against Bama last year was one of my favorite defensive performances I’ve ever seen from an LSU team. Shutting down Bryce Jones with two walk-on corners and holding them to 6 yards rushing missing 85% of our starters was hilarious. Screw Max Johnson
Posted on 4/30/22 at 4:02 pm to Tigerlaff
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Daronte was OK. Jake Peetz and Pelini sucked arse.
Did you watch the UCLA or Kentucky games?
Posted on 4/30/22 at 4:04 pm to lsudave1
His defenses against UCLA and Ole Miss were inexcusable. And we know this thanks to O throwing him under the bus multiple times. 
But I think there were times he did really well.
But I think there were times he did really well.
This post was edited on 4/30/22 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 4/30/22 at 4:10 pm to Shooter
Absent last year Orgeron had the same record as Saban for the same period at LSU.
Miles left a dumpster fire Orgeron reset the offensive philosophy. Got Brady. And Burrow. Wins national championship
Lose 26 guys.
Pelion was awful. Btw Aranda defense got lit up in 2018 and 2019.
Lost the locker room and the team in 2020. Might be due to what you guys said.
Dumb asses don’t win national championships.
Miles left a dumpster fire Orgeron reset the offensive philosophy. Got Brady. And Burrow. Wins national championship
Lose 26 guys.
Pelion was awful. Btw Aranda defense got lit up in 2018 and 2019.
Lost the locker room and the team in 2020. Might be due to what you guys said.
Dumb asses don’t win national championships.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 4:13 pm to mhc4tigers
He had some good people around him. Some his own doing. I’ll give him that.
But once those guys left, he did not replace them with good people. Showing his limitations as a coach. He was also horrible on the media stage.
But “dumbass” might be a little strong I agree.
But once those guys left, he did not replace them with good people. Showing his limitations as a coach. He was also horrible on the media stage.
But “dumbass” might be a little strong I agree.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 4:15 pm to DC4LSU
Some people argued the talent wasn't there, even the radio talking heads like Hanny. Everyone can shut the frick up now
Posted on 4/30/22 at 4:19 pm to DC4LSU
Would really like to know the real story behind 2019. I bet Aranda had a lot to do with keeping things straight. Once he left, Special Ed was allowed to be who he is-a loser of a head coach. Will never understand the buyout. Ever.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 4:53 pm to mmcgrath
quote:UGA and Alabama didn't have 8000 drop outs and injuries either
Maybe you should compare us to the other SEC teams. I heard Alabama and Georgia had a decent number of players drafted too.
quote:take our top draft pick out the lineup???? HE WAS OUT OF THE LINEUP!
Now take our top draft pick out of the lineup along with the starting QB and tell me where we should have finished.
Yall MFer must have forgot, but those 2 teams also included Eli Ricks, the time he gave a frick, Myles Brennan, who was on pace for over 4000 yards and 40 TDs in 2020, was injured, Dare Rosenthal, starting LT who ran away, Terrace Marshall who quit after 7 games, Arik Gilbert who quit after 8 games. John Emery's academic problems, Kary Vincent quit, Tyler Shelvin quit, Ja'Marr Chase quit, Jabril Cox had an awful LB coach. Kayshon Boutte became a star. Find me the star Alabama and UGA players who quit?
LSU had a ton of talent that wasn't focused (partly because of O)and through circumstances like injuries and such, didn't play together as a unit. Also you forgot that after LSU lost coordinators, O made some the worst and most useless hires he could have. A good coordinator can completely change a team.
LSU had talent to be real damn good. LSU didn't have the right coaches to nuture that talent, and put them in places to succeed. LSU didn't have the right guys to inspire confidence. Brennan's injury was devastating because we only had project true freshmen behind him.
O was horrible and neglected his job. LSU has talent coming out their arse. We had 3 former 5 star receiving options and a 5 star running option, and NONE OF THEM was Ja'Marr Chase. Bo Pelini and opt outs (which were partly because of him) DESTROYED a defense that should have been decent.
All the idiotic people that upvoted you are completely clueless and casual CFB fans.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 5:06 pm to mdomingue
quote:Dude did not even vet Pelini and kept Ensminger as the OC because he was lazy. The very next year he got TWO coordinators, that had never done that in their life AFTER the worst season for LSU this century, was also lazy and showed lack of care.
The fact is, having 7 or more players drafted in each of the last two years is telling but not that Ed checked out in recruiting so much as he couldn't keep a competent staff together or direct recruiting to get the needed pieces. We had plenty of talent, just not put together well as a team.
This man didn't give a frick. He road to the top, got his ring and money, and checked out. He neglected key recruiting positions and allowed his rententioned staff and players to not give a frick. The lack of care in the entire building was bad, which is why Kelly cleaned house.
I can't believe so many people still can't call it what it was, Ed O was the downfall of LSU the past 2 years. The players and staff took on his laissez faire persona. That was a trickle down effect of epic proportions.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 5:14 pm to DC4LSU
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Just further proof that we had a checked out head coach
Players checked out for 2 years to the point we had 39 scholarship players but somehow that means the coach checked out. Last time I checked, O coached every game until the bowl game
Posted on 4/30/22 at 5:25 pm to Datbayoubengal
quote:Kinduv the point.
take our top draft pick out the lineup???? HE WAS OUT OF THE LINEUP!
quote:No one forgot dummy. Myles played 3 games. Terrace Marshall opted out for the draft like Chase. Are we blaming Arik on Orgeron? He quit on Georgia last year too and is no guarantee for this year.
Yall MFer must have forgot, but those 2 teams also included Eli Ricks, the time he gave a frick, Myles Brennan, who was on pace for over 4000 yards and 40 TDs in 2020, was injured, Dare Rosenthal, starting LT who ran away, Terrace Marshall who quit after 7 games, Arik Gilbert who quit after 8 games. John Emery's academic problems, Kary Vincent quit, Tyler Shelvin quit, Ja'Marr Chase quit, Jabril Cox had an awful LB coach. Kayshon Boutte became a star. Find me the star Alabama and UGA players who quit?
quote:Pelini was bad. The last guy was good. Peetz was bad, but that is as much on Woodward as anyone else. What type of search did he assist on? How much was he paying? Seems he went cheap on both coordinators.
LSU had a ton of talent that wasn't focused (partly because of O)and through circumstances like injuries and such, didn't play together as a unit. Also you forgot that after LSU lost coordinators, O made some the worst and most useless hires he could have. A good coordinator can completely change a team.
quote:Kinduv doesn't matter when your starting QB is out.
O was horrible and neglected his job. LSU has talent coming out their arse. We had 3 former 5 star receiving options and a 5 star running option, and NONE OF THEM was Ja'Marr Chase.
quote:We lost talent in 2019, started off 2020 with a covid off-season, then had a ton of injuries on defense. Despite all of that the defense finished strong last year and should be a big strength going into this year.
Bo Pelini and opt outs (which were partly because of him) DESTROYED a defense that should have been decent
quote:The only idiot here is you. Half of your post backs up my point and you never address the point of comparing talent that just got drafted from LSU to other SEC schools.
All the idiotic people that upvoted you are completely clueless and casual CFB fans.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 5:26 pm to DC4LSU
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He went from working hard to hardly working and chasing tail
He just pivoted to a different kind of working hard is all.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 5:28 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Yet another indictment of how fricking bad Ed Orgeron was.
He wasn't all that bad. And 2019 will go down as the most dominant LSU team ever.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 5:29 pm to Stevo
I actually have no hard feelings for the dude. He went out with no issues unlike Pruitt at Tennessee. I think we made the right move at the right time.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 5:33 pm to Hurricane Mike
If players check out for two years, that's on the coach for the sorry culture he created, not holding anyone responsible, and losing the respect of the players through the poor decisions he made and the crappy staff he hired. Players saw through him and realized that they were on a sinking ship, so they abandoned it.
Players at LSU aren't different from players at every other school, but only LSU wound up with 39 scholarship players. Orgeron was just waiting to be fired so he could collect. He's happier now than he's ever been...and working about as hard as he did his last two years at LSU.
Players at LSU aren't different from players at every other school, but only LSU wound up with 39 scholarship players. Orgeron was just waiting to be fired so he could collect. He's happier now than he's ever been...and working about as hard as he did his last two years at LSU.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 5:39 pm to DC4LSU
about 5 of them will make a roster
Posted on 4/30/22 at 5:44 pm to Datbayoubengal
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I can't believe so many people still can't call it what it was, Ed O was the downfall of LSU the past 2 years. The players and staff took on his laissez faire persona. That was a trickle down effect of epic proportions.
I can't argue that except to say that some of the staff and players did continue to give their all. It's why Davis is still here nand why a few players (like TDP and Clark) put together better years than previously and guys like Bech did so well regardless of everything else.
Honestly, I wonder if the lightning in the bottle thing that many talk about didn't have some odd impact on Orgeron's way of doing things.
It seemed like he went from being a control freak at Ole Miss to more of a director for his coordinator but letting them work to an almost completely hands off guy. Maybe that year with Brady/Ensminger and Aranda spoiled him and he didn't realize those situation are far and few between.
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