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Posted on 5/23/09 at 2:06 pm to josh336
Nola just tripled in 2 runs and scored a third.
Posted on 5/23/09 at 3:53 pm to Baloo
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So let's be clear: a sacrifice bunt is a bad AB. It counts as an out. Outs are bad. I don't like them. And I really hate bunting. It's giving away outs.
No, it's not always bad. For example, some sacrifice bunts squeeze in a run from 3rd base. Your logic would count those against the bunter's OBP.
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And I'm still yet to see a guy run straight to the dugout after bunting because he's not tyring to reach base.
Sorry, but this is another bad argument. True, there is the small possibility that the batter can beat out the bunt for a hit. The odds are larger, though, that he will pop up the bunt for an out, or that the lead runner will be thrown out, or he will bunt foul for strike three. The idea that the batter trying to sacrifice gets any kind of bonus in his OBP is wrong.
Posted on 5/24/09 at 8:26 am to LittleJerry
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I don't know. I think there might be a defensive upgrade, but it hasn't shown up in the box score. But even assuming it's there and it's real, it is probably fairly small and I wonder -- is it worth the offensive cost?
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First, I want to go on record: Nola is the best infielder on the team. I would also like to point out that he is a true freshman with 74 at bats -- He was drafted out of HS, was the 2008 Gatorade LA player of the year, a Louisville AA and hit .447 w/ an .895 slugging % -- he can handle the stick, just needs more AB's. Mainieri knew this and had a date set to pull the plug on the current, throw Nola into the mix, and have enough regular and post-season play left to get Nola much needed AB's before the regionals. Defensively, Mainieri knew he had stud so no worries there.
Question:
1. Do you think Nola should be starting a SS?
2. Who's bat do you want so desperately to insert into the line-up, and justify taking Nola off the field?
Still waiting on your answers to these questions and there's no name calling so don't be afraid.
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I don't know. I think there might be a defensive upgrade, but it hasn't shown up in the box score. But even assuming it's there and it's real, it is probably fairly small and I wonder -- is it worth the offensive cost?
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First, I want to go on record: Nola is the best infielder on the team. I would also like to point out that he is a true freshman with 74 at bats -- He was drafted out of HS, was the 2008 Gatorade LA player of the year, a Louisville AA and hit .447 w/ an .895 slugging % -- he can handle the stick, just needs more AB's. Mainieri knew this and had a date set to pull the plug on the current, throw Nola into the mix, and have enough regular and post-season play left to get Nola much needed AB's before the regionals. Defensively, Mainieri knew he had stud so no worries there.
Question:
1. Do you think Nola should be starting a SS?
2. Who's bat do you want so desperately to insert into the line-up, and justify taking Nola off the field?
Still waiting on your answers to these questions and there's no name calling so don't be afraid.
Posted on 5/24/09 at 10:08 am to LittleJerry
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1. Do you think Nola should be starting a SS?
2. Who's bat do you want so desperately to insert into the line-up, and justify taking Nola off the field?
No. Though I do think he should be a late inning defensive sub and occassional spot starter. It's not like I think he has no role whatsoever. Just that his role is too large.
Honestly, Chad Jones. But it's also cost Landry at bats as well. I'd also like to see those at bats go to McGhee and Helenihi. I don't think it's one player, I think it's a group of players. But I don't think it's a this or that thing. I like that PM has used a lot of his bench throughout the year. I don't desperately want to use one guy, I'm not a fan of one player, but of all Tigers.
And going back to the OBP argument, I do not believe that it's a matter of "punishing" anyone who sacs or doesn't sacs. I think it should be counted because that's what actually happened. That's completely value neutral.
Posted on 5/24/09 at 10:46 am to Baloo
Ballou true words were never spoken and I agree with you 100%. Some people just get all over him and not others. If they new so much why is it that they are not coaching the team. They are the same people that get all over people for asking questions that may have been asked before. I say ask it and don't worry what they say. Some of the people on this board think everyone reads every post and that not possible for all of us.
This post was edited on 5/24/09 at 10:48 am
Posted on 5/24/09 at 10:52 am to Baloo
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And going back to the OBP argument, I do not believe that it's a matter of "punishing" anyone who sacs or doesn't sacs. I think it should be counted because that's what actually happened. That's completely value neutral.
dumb
Posted on 5/24/09 at 10:56 am to moneyg
Just to be clear, you think it's dumb to record what actually happened?
Posted on 5/24/09 at 10:58 am to Baloo
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No. Though I do think he should be a late inning defensive sub and occassional spot starter. It's not like I think he has no role whatsoever. Just that his role is too large.
I have to respectively disagree. All Nola's at-bats have come in the meat of the SEC schedule and he's only had around 80 or so ABs. This guy is a .300+ hitter as a freshman easily, handles the bat well, good bat speed, fouls/sees a lot of pitches, great sac bunter, doesn't strike out much and most of his outs are loud/hard hit. I predict he continues ripping the cover off the ball in the post season starting next week in the regionals.
Posted on 5/24/09 at 11:19 am to LittleJerry
Well, he's not a 300 hitter because he's hitting 235. Will he ever hit 300? I think he will, eventually. With a whole offseason working with the team and given his experience this year, I do think he's gonna start next season and be a productive hitter.
Will it happen in the postseason? Probably not. But that triple was pretty damn cool. If he can keep doing that, that would be awesome. It's not like I root against him. I want him to start hitting like Todd Walker.
And there are positives to build on, which I have mentioned before - he is a very patient hitter and he draws tons of walks. If you can't get hits, get on. I like that he's not pressing and he's not just getting up there and hacking away. He's not showing signs of frustration. That's a good sign for future growth. He's a far more patient hitter than Hanover, for example.
I do hate the bunting. Nola's poor bat has allowed PM to indulge in his worst tendencies towards the sac bunt. You win by putting up crooked numbers. If Nola starts ripping the cover off the ball, PM is less likely to bunt him, making our offense even more productive (Nola's productivity + less bunting).
Will it happen in the postseason? Probably not. But that triple was pretty damn cool. If he can keep doing that, that would be awesome. It's not like I root against him. I want him to start hitting like Todd Walker.
And there are positives to build on, which I have mentioned before - he is a very patient hitter and he draws tons of walks. If you can't get hits, get on. I like that he's not pressing and he's not just getting up there and hacking away. He's not showing signs of frustration. That's a good sign for future growth. He's a far more patient hitter than Hanover, for example.
I do hate the bunting. Nola's poor bat has allowed PM to indulge in his worst tendencies towards the sac bunt. You win by putting up crooked numbers. If Nola starts ripping the cover off the ball, PM is less likely to bunt him, making our offense even more productive (Nola's productivity + less bunting).
Posted on 5/24/09 at 1:11 pm to Baloo
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Just to be clear, you think it's dumb to record what actually happened?
I think it's dumb to blindly record what actually happened into a particular stat that has been defined differently than simply "what happened".
Posted on 5/24/09 at 10:44 pm to Baloo
If you replace Nola with someone hitting 70 points higher, then you add a hit every 14 ABs, or about a hit every three games.
The question then becomes: does Nola defensively take away a hit from the other team once every three games? If so, then it's a wash.
Personally, I don't think there is any question that having Nola play defense accounts for an extra out every three games. The value of double plays is greater and I don't really know how to calculate it, so we'll just leave it out of the discussion for the time being.
By the way, Nola scored five runs in the tournament, tied with Dean and Mitchell for second on the team behind Schimpf's six.
The question then becomes: does Nola defensively take away a hit from the other team once every three games? If so, then it's a wash.
Personally, I don't think there is any question that having Nola play defense accounts for an extra out every three games. The value of double plays is greater and I don't really know how to calculate it, so we'll just leave it out of the discussion for the time being.
By the way, Nola scored five runs in the tournament, tied with Dean and Mitchell for second on the team behind Schimpf's six.
Posted on 5/24/09 at 11:40 pm to GOP_Tiger
I was at the tournament and the kid didn't have a bad at bat that i can remember. He is by far our best defensive infielder and even his outs are hard hit. There's a reason he was the All Tournament SS this weekend.
Posted on 5/30/09 at 9:34 pm to Baloo
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No. Though I do think he should be a late inning defensive sub and occassional spot starter. It's not like I think he has no role whatsoever. Just that his role is too large.
Baloo, you were saying? Yeah.....that's what I thought.
Posted on 6/8/09 at 4:40 pm to tiger golfer1
I think we all need to wake up. It is not Nola vs. DJ. They are both great players, and on the same team. Aren't we Tiger fans lucky? The Tigers can win it all with their superb talent.
Posted on 6/8/09 at 4:49 pm to moneyg
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think Nola is clearly a better SS than Lemahieu. I also think Lemahieu is clearly a better 2B than Shimpf. To me, that's why playing Nola makes sense...because we've upgraded the entire middle infield...not just one spot.
And Nola is hitting better. Plus, he has come up with some clutch hits. I'd rather him hit .250 or less and get those hits with base runners than be a solid 333 who never gets the game winner.
Lamehieu is a beast at second base.
Posted on 6/8/09 at 4:55 pm to stephendomalley
it's like the way nola has been hitting the last month, when you look at the scoreboard and see he is hitting .240 or so, you think "wow ! when is this kid's average going to rise, he's hitting the shite out of the ball" .. on the flip side, i constantly catch myself shaking my head when i see jared mitchell at .323 .. i think "frick, everytime i see the guy, he's going 0-for-4 or 1-for-4 it seems and his average stays in the 3s" ..
Posted on 6/8/09 at 9:50 pm to longtymefirsttyme
I believe DJ made ESPN's top plays two nights in a row. How many times did NOLA make the top 10?
NONE. DJ is probably the besy 2 strike hitter we have this year and is batting around .340.
I will put my money on DJ being in major leagues not Nola.
NONE. DJ is probably the besy 2 strike hitter we have this year and is batting around .340.
I will put my money on DJ being in major leagues not Nola.
Posted on 6/8/09 at 10:13 pm to TigahRag
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Posted on 6/8/09 at 11:15 pm to zip25
Since someone dug up this thread, let's actually deal with the facts. For the record, here are Nola's postseason numbers (10 games):
8/33, 1 2b, 1 3B
11 Total bases
1 BB, 1 HBP
1 sac
5 K
1 E
10 PO
18 A
AVG 242
OBP 286
SLG 333
He played like a freshman in the field against Rice. He made the one throwing error and very easily could have been charged with the error charged to Mahtook on that truly awful defensive play (both throws were miserable, but Mahtook's was worse).
He's played some great D as well, particularly in the SEC tourney. He's struggled at the plate, but he had THE key hit of the Baylor game with two outs which sparked a massive rally. It really has been a mixed bag.
I still think his role is too large right now, and my opinion of him hasn't changed. He's a future star who is currently playing like a freshman, sometimes overwhelmed, but sometimes shows glimpses of what he is going to be. I'd rather see a platoon in which he sits against righties, so we can add another lefty bat in Chad Jones and shift LeMahieu and Schimpf back to their original positions (or Helenihi). Then he could start against lefties while Jones sits.
8/33, 1 2b, 1 3B
11 Total bases
1 BB, 1 HBP
1 sac
5 K
1 E
10 PO
18 A
AVG 242
OBP 286
SLG 333
He played like a freshman in the field against Rice. He made the one throwing error and very easily could have been charged with the error charged to Mahtook on that truly awful defensive play (both throws were miserable, but Mahtook's was worse).
He's played some great D as well, particularly in the SEC tourney. He's struggled at the plate, but he had THE key hit of the Baylor game with two outs which sparked a massive rally. It really has been a mixed bag.
I still think his role is too large right now, and my opinion of him hasn't changed. He's a future star who is currently playing like a freshman, sometimes overwhelmed, but sometimes shows glimpses of what he is going to be. I'd rather see a platoon in which he sits against righties, so we can add another lefty bat in Chad Jones and shift LeMahieu and Schimpf back to their original positions (or Helenihi). Then he could start against lefties while Jones sits.
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