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re: Need to cancel the home and home with Clemson

Posted on 11/27/19 at 2:44 pm to
Posted by LSU316
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 2:44 pm to
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What about Northwestern State? Where do they factor into your logic?


The name of the cupcake matters not....the fact is that as long as you are in a Power 5 confernece and have a 0 in the L column that is all that matters...SOS, fan happiness, etc doesn't mean shite.
This post was edited on 11/27/19 at 2:45 pm
Posted by LSUFanMizeWay
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 2:48 pm to
You sound retarded
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 2:48 pm to
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Thinking you’re an idiot is not melting.
No, but this is:
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LOL, what?! It’s literally the most important metric they use and refer to every Tuesday night, but if almighty xiv says otherwise then who are we to question?
Textbook melt, and I'll have none of it thankyouverymuch.
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You do realize that when something is a “wash,” it means it's about even and the things under consideration can't be meaningfully differentiated in terms of value.
Yes, I know what a wash is, and what you are saying is a wash is not a wash, and it counts, and it's why tOSU's schedule is deemed tougher by the vast majority of available metrics.
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 2:51 pm to
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it's easier to get there playing Southeastern in September rather than Clemson.
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The name of the cupcake matters not.
Right. So they played Northwestern State and are #2. If they had played and beat Cincinnati or virtually any FBS school they'd be #1.

Your point is the exact opposite of what is true.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 2:52 pm to
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The name of the cupcake matters not.


but it does to the computers and the committee frowns on FCS games

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the fact is that as long as you are in a Power 5 confernece and have a 0 in the L column that is all that matters...SOS, fan happiness, etc doesn't mean shite.


Technically that's true but this melt by our fans is they are mad we dropped from 1 to 2, if you want to be #1 SOS and a tough OOC is one way to differentiate yourself. The irony of this tread and this (idiotic) thought process is the thing that's hurting us is the big OOC team we scheduled is hurting because they suck If we played and lost to an Texas that was undefeated and were on the outside looking in at the playoffs, then i could see people saying we should cancel big OOC games because they are a risk but what these guys are advocating is guaranteeing a lower spot
This post was edited on 11/27/19 at 3:08 pm
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 2:58 pm to
The greatest thing about this is that if LSU had played literally anyone other than Virginia Tech (or Ohio State) in 2007, there would be no national title for LSU that year. Replace Virginia Tech with Oklahoma (the next best opponent), and there's one less title for the Tigers.

The idea that LSU steps on a rake by scheduling big OOC's is so stupid, I can't believe it.
Posted by mtntiger
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 3:04 pm to
If Texas hadn't shite the bed, then it wouldn't. Tuck Fexas.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 3:05 pm to
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The idea that LSU steps on a rake by scheduling big OOC's is so stupid, I can't believe it.


the whole thinking is bassackwards, what's hurting us about Texas is they are 6-5, replace them with UAB (or dare i say Troy ) and chances are we never reach #1 in the first place, not to mention the Texas game vaulted Burrow into the Heisman conversation especially the 3rd and 17. ETA : He would have gotten in eventually but still, there's nothing bad about playing Texas this year

This post was edited on 11/27/19 at 3:07 pm
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 3:09 pm to
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If Texas hadn't shite the bed, then it wouldn't. Tuck Fexas.

Maybe mitigate this risk by scheduling a mid-major instead of the #80 FCS school.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 3:11 pm to
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So they played Northwestern State and are #2. If they had played and beat Cincinnati or virtually any FBS school they'd be #1.



Sound logic there. Compare the worst OOC for LSU to the best OOC for OSU.

WHy don't we compare Alabama and Rutgers next?


Teams that schedule games against opponents you expect to be good, like LSU/Texas, Oregon/Auburn, UGA/ND, Clemson/A&M, that should be rewarded regardless if one of the teams ends up not being that great that year. I'm not saying you treat Texas or A&M as some great win if they end up not being really good, but reward the team that went out and scheduled a game like that.

Scheduling Cincinnati is no different than scheduling Utah State. It makes ZERO difference if one finishes 10-2 or 6-6, an elite team will beat the crap out of them regardless, and there was ZERO risk in scheduling them.

I wish the committee used more common sense and took into effect when a team played someone. Playing 1-0 Texas who's ranked in the top 10 is a lot different than playing 6-4 Texas. Playing 2-2 VA Tech is a lot different than playing 8-3 Va Tech. The Maryland team PSU played in Week 4 had a lot more confidence in themselves than the Maryland team OSU played in week 10. The week 5 MSU team OSU beat was playing with a lot more confidence than the weak 10 MSU team that Michigan beat.
This is why i like playing Auburn early in the year, and A&M late in the year. Auburn usually gets better as the season progresses, and A&M gets worst, even though they may have around the same records, when you play them makes a big difference.

That's the kind of things i thought the committee was supposed to factor in, the things a computer cannot.
A computer looks at 6-6 Miami Ohio and rewards OSU for playing them over an FCS team LSU played, something they do every year to help support in state schools. In reality, there is no difference in these two opponents, again, something i understand a computer can't recognize, but the committee should.
This post was edited on 11/27/19 at 3:17 pm
Posted by LSU316
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 3:25 pm to
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If they had played and beat Cincinnati or virtually any FBS school they'd be #1


So that would hold weight if our SOS wasn't better than that of Ohio St.....so wrong again

ETA

Also to claim that Cincinnati is some great win is dumb....they are just another group of 5 team.
This post was edited on 11/27/19 at 3:28 pm
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 3:26 pm to
We have the whiniest fans
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 3:27 pm to
Big games like these are great for program exposure. College football is all about the quality of your brand to sell to recruits.
Posted by EasterEgg
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 3:29 pm to
Clemson will more than likely be average by the time that series rolls around.
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 3:30 pm to
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what's hurting us about Texas is they are 6-5, replace them with UAB (or dare i say Troy ) and chances are we never reach #1 in the first place
jfc yes.

Consider the schedule in the following subgroups. In the left column is the number of total combined wins you'd expect those teams to have in the regular season; in the right column, current combined wins.

a) OOC - 24 - 18
b) SECE - 16 - 12
c) SECW Haves - 26 - 25
d) SECW Have-nots - 15 - 11

Basically, the components that contribute to a team's SOS are not delivering the way we expect them to deliver in a normal year. Based on everything I've observed in 16 years of being way more into this can be considered healthy, I'd say that the best way to schedule OOC games if you're a school like LSU (with goals as lofty as they are) is:
- Biggest name program who will agree to a home/away or neutral 1-off. Doesn't matter how good they are--they're good enough to have that big arse name, so beating them will be a great-to-really-really-great start.
- Biggest name program who will agree to one game at your site. Doesn't matter how good they are--you're good enough to beat them, so go for it. Sometimes this is Oregon State, but other times it's Appalachian State. Either way, the kicker is going to miss three extra points because you're destined to win this game.
- Mid-major who you expect to be playing for bowl eligibility two days after Thanksgiving. Bowling Green. Miami U. Georgia Southern. You know the type.
- Worst FBS program you can find. Akron. UConn. Rice. You know this one, too.

Obviously these things are complicated, so I don't mean this as to suggest that a school not named Notre Dame has the ability to nail a schedule so perfectly on a regular basis, but if LSU wanted to present themselves with the best opportunity possible, all things considered, that's who I believe they'd be best attempting to schedule.
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 3:30 pm to
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Sound logic there. Compare the worst OOC for LSU to the best OOC for OSU.
I see Cincinnati is a quality win now.
Posted by mtheob17
Charleston, SC
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 3:31 pm to
Thanks a lot Texas for sucking all season.
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 3:33 pm to
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So that would hold weight if our SOS wasn't better than that of Ohio St.....so wrong again

Not according to the vast majority of available SOS metrics.

What is presented to you on ESPN is not in line with the consensus of nerds who come up with this stuff.
Posted by ApexTiger
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 3:34 pm to
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tOSU scheduled tougher OOC than LSU,


At Texas with their injured 7 starters is a good team...and good victory...

Pretty sure OSU didn't play a blueblood program on the road
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
28712 posts
Posted on 11/27/19 at 3:37 pm to
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I see Cincinnati is a quality win now.



That's where i expect humans, not a computer, to recognize that win as not a big deal. The computers equate it to beating Florida or Auburn simply b/c they have a nice record.
Give Cincinnati Texas's schedule and see if they are still a quality team.
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