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NDSU apparently did not know rule about use of green bag at 1st base
Posted on 3/5/25 at 7:40 am
Posted on 3/5/25 at 7:40 am
Of course neither did I. Apparently you can use green bag on way to 1st base but after you cross the bag it no longer can be used as a base - you have to use the white 1st base bag. NDSU player didn't know that on his way back to 1st base after crossing bag. The coaches even challenged the call so they didn't know the rule either. Learned something new....
Also there was another play where w bases loaded Josh Pearson hit an easy fly ball to RCF that looked like a guaranteed SAC fly. The outfielder dropped the ball but was able to get force at 2nd base. Wasn't sure if Pearson got credit for SAC fly (0-0) or if play was scored as an 0-1 as far as batting average. Box score showed he was 0-3 w RBI. I would have scored it a SAC fly and not have it considered as an official at bat instead of a force out at 2nd base and 0-1 officially. Wasn't his fault the outfielder dropped it. He did his job. I guess that's baseball...
Great comeback by our Tigers! NDSU played well.
Also there was another play where w bases loaded Josh Pearson hit an easy fly ball to RCF that looked like a guaranteed SAC fly. The outfielder dropped the ball but was able to get force at 2nd base. Wasn't sure if Pearson got credit for SAC fly (0-0) or if play was scored as an 0-1 as far as batting average. Box score showed he was 0-3 w RBI. I would have scored it a SAC fly and not have it considered as an official at bat instead of a force out at 2nd base and 0-1 officially. Wasn't his fault the outfielder dropped it. He did his job. I guess that's baseball...
Great comeback by our Tigers! NDSU played well.
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Posted on 3/5/25 at 7:42 am to DrD
That Pearson play was 100% an error. You don’t get RBIs on errors.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 7:43 am to DrD
Also this did not happen but if you hit the ball to the outfield you can not touch the green base rounding first.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 7:44 am to purplengold1
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That Pearson play was 100% an error. You don’t get RBIs on errors.
Why wouldn't it be a sac fly with an RBI and an RBOE?
Posted on 3/5/25 at 7:45 am to ProjectP2294
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Why wouldn't it be a sac fly with an RBI and an RBOE
That’s true. I just went back and looked at the stats, I guess I would’ve ruled it like you just said.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 7:48 am to DrD
The green bag is used everywhere in the NCAA now right? If it was still just an SEC rule then that really sucks for them, but otherwise they should know the rules
Posted on 3/5/25 at 7:51 am to DrD
On that green bag play, if the runner had not made a small turn towards 2nd base, then we couldn't have thrown him out at 1st?
I am wondering what the rule is on that?
I am wondering what the rule is on that?
Posted on 3/5/25 at 7:53 am to purplengold1
It was a fielders choice in the end. They threw Dickinson out at second base negating the error in the scorebook.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 8:03 am to PoppaD
Yeah, that had nothing to do with the green bag. If a runner makes any movement towards second base they are then considered a runner and can be tagged out. In this particular instance the runner made it back to first safely, but he touched the green bag which is out of play once you run past first base instead of the white bag.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 8:08 am to PoppaD
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On that green bag play, if the runner had not made a small turn towards 2nd base, then we couldn't have thrown him out at 1st?
I am wondering what the rule is on that?
Pretty sure if after running past 1b you turn toward the foul side you can trot your sweet time back to first. Once/if you turn towards second, you become back in play and are on the base paths like any other runner would be. The throw to 1b was bad so the runner turned towards second thinking he might be able to stretch a base but in doing so put himself back into play and thus had to get back to the bag.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 8:13 am to subidc
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Also this did not happen but if you hit the ball to the outfield you can not touch the green base rounding first.
I have a feeling this is going to bite someone in the arse this season. Hopefully not LSU.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 8:13 am to DrD
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Also there was another play where w bases loaded Josh Pearson hit an easy fly ball to RCF that looked like a guaranteed SAC fly. The outfielder dropped the ball but was able to get force at 2nd base. Wasn't sure if Pearson got credit for SAC fly (0-0) or if play was scored as an 0-1 as far as batting average. Box score showed he was 0-3 w RBI. I would have scored it a SAC fly and not have it considered as an official at bat instead of a force out at 2nd base and 0-1 officially.
Because they got the force play it's neither a sacrifice nor an error.
It goes down as a fielder's choice.
I don't necessarily agree with that ruling, but that's how it gets recorded.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 8:16 am to LSshoe
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On that green bag play, if the runner had not made a small turn towards 2nd base, then we couldn't have thrown him out at 1st?
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Pretty sure if after running past 1b you turn toward the foul side you can trot your sweet time back to first.
correct, if you're just overrunning the bag to beat a close play, you're golden.
if you make even a hint of a move toward second, you're fair game.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 8:19 am to Nutriaitch
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Because they got the force play it's neither a sacrifice nor an error. It goes down as a fielder's choice. I don't necessarily agree with that ruling, but that's how it gets recorded.
ROE is the cruelest stat in baseball. You did something fairly productive, put pressure on the defense but RBI’s that occur because of it are erased. OP says Pearson showed 0 RBI. If ruled a fielders choice he would have gotten the RBI credit. They must have ruled error.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 8:28 am to ProjectP2294
Because there was a force out, it’s a fielder’s choice. No error because an out was made.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 8:35 am to LCLa
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Because there was a force out, it’s a fielder’s choice. No error because an out was made.
I had forgot about that when making my earlier post. I even commented on the fielders choice in the game thread.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 8:44 am to purplengold1
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That Pearson play was 100% an error. You don’t get RBIs on errors.
In this case, it wasn’t an error because they got the force out, but it’s not true that you cannot get an RBI on an error. It is the scorekeeper’s discretion to determine how many runs would have scored in the absence of the error with the batter credited with that number of RBI.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 9:04 am to DrD
The Pearson play was a fielder's choice because they got the force out at second. There's no other way it can be scored. Can't be an error or a sac fly.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 9:04 am to AtlantaLSUfan
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OP says Pearson showed 0 RBI. If ruled a fielders choice he would have gotten the RBI credit. They must have ruled error.
Pearson did get an RBI on the play.
Official ruling form BoxScore:
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LSU 6th Pearson, Js. reached on a fielder's choice, RBI (0-0); Dickinson out at second cf to ss; Jones advanced to third; Curiel scored.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:24 am to Nutriaitch
correct, if you're just overrunning the bag to beat a close play, you're golden.
if you make even a hint of a move toward second, you're fair game.
You have to return to the field of play to be eligible to be put out. A runner can go toward second in foul territory with zero repercussions.
if you make even a hint of a move toward second, you're fair game.
You have to return to the field of play to be eligible to be put out. A runner can go toward second in foul territory with zero repercussions.
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