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re: NCAA will allow athletes to be compensated per CNBC
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:56 pm to shel311
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:56 pm to shel311
Look, this isn't very difficult. The schools have been colluding by and through the NCAA and conferences to restrict trade (i.e. anti-trust/fraud come to mind... let alone the employment laws at the federal/state levels in some instances) to create a system where they win and the player loses.
The schools simply should not be colluding to restrict free trade by and through the NCAA, it really is that simple. Now whether individual players should be paid under state or federal law by the schools is something that needs to be determined on a case by case basis. In some cases, some of the players are probably employees, and some sports or activities probably not so much so.
Eventually, the schools (through and by the NCAA) will fold completely.
The schools simply should not be colluding to restrict free trade by and through the NCAA, it really is that simple. Now whether individual players should be paid under state or federal law by the schools is something that needs to be determined on a case by case basis. In some cases, some of the players are probably employees, and some sports or activities probably not so much so.
Eventually, the schools (through and by the NCAA) will fold completely.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 3:00 pm
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Posted on 10/29/19 at 3:01 pm to shel311
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So let me get this straight. You're admitting you clarified your stance better in other threads, but in this thread just kept saying "it'll be the same thing" but it's MY Fault for only seeing your posts in this thread and reading them for what they are?
You’re the only one who seems to be having trouble with it.
When I tell you the FBI will still get involved if they think there’s rampant cheating isn’t me telling you everything with the sport is going to be exactly the same. You’ve proven you can’t wrap your head around this one little concept by quoting it back at me.
Simply put: Saying something will be easier is in and of itself saying it will not actually be the same.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 3:08 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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The schools simply should not be colluding to restrict free trade by and through the NCAA, it really is that simple.
The only thing that the schools are doing that restricts free trade is them not letting the players make money for their likeness. This has changed.
If you have a problem with the players not being able to be paid to play until they get to the NFL, that’s an issue with them and not the NCAA. They’re the ones who don’t allow players to enter the draft.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 3:11 pm to ShreveportLSU
Bring ncaa football back for Xbox!!!!!
Posted on 10/29/19 at 3:15 pm to fallguy_1978
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Derek Stingley could certainly make more than Derrick Dillon right now but that's just the way it is in life. Also, positions like left guard usually don't carry near the star power of a RB, QB or WR. I won't be surprised if the NCAA tries to put a 100k cap on it or something.
Therein lies one of the biggest pitfalls of this concept.
Skill players will be - by far - the biggest beneficiaries of this new world order. In the big scheme of things, nobody cares about the interior linemen. Have you ever seen a university selling a jersey with #68 on it?
Will be interesting to see what happens to team unity and cohesiveness when the millionaire QBs and RBs are telling their uncompensated O-linemen to "shut up and block."
The NFL makes it work because the team values the quality of its interior linemen and compensates them accordingly for their skill.
In CFB, it will be entirely up to endorsements and fan favorites.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 3:18 pm to UGATiger26
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Therein lies one of the biggest pitfalls of this concept.
Skill players will be - by far - the biggest beneficiaries of this new world order. In the big scheme of things, nobody cares about the interior linemen. Have you ever seen a university selling a jersey with #68 on it?
Will be interesting to see what happens to team unity and cohesiveness when the millionaire QBs and RBs are telling their uncompensated O-linemen to "shut up and block."
The free market will work it all out, doesn't appear to be a problem in the NFL.
There really is no "concept" though - the NCAA (schools) need to get in line, they are lucky at this point.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 3:20 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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The free market will work it all out, doesn't appear to be a problem in the NFL.
Just added to my post.
The NFL makes it work because the team values the quality of its interior linemen and compensates them accordingly for their skill.
In CFB, it will be entirely up to endorsements and fan favorites.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 3:23 pm to fallguy_1978
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I'd assume this might benefit the bigger markets like L.A. unless there's a cap put on it.
That's the least of the problems its going to cause.
This will open Pandora's box with respect to buying players and, worse, buying free agents. It will now be within the rules for an Alabama booster, for example, to offer a Joe Burrow, for example, a high dollar contract to rep his business...in a year when Burrow happens to decide to transfer to Alabama.
This is going to fundamentally change college football in a very bad way. So many people weren't willing to look past their own nose.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 3:25 pm to jlovel7
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LSU will win the last ever college football national championship. Everything after that will be a different sport. Chance for something special here guys.
I honestly think what you are suggesting is not hyperbole.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 3:27 pm to moneyg
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This is going to fundamentally change college football in a very bad way. So many people weren't willing to look past their own nose.
Hm, if your trade was being restricted by collusion among huge institutions, I think your nose would be a lot smaller. Its not really personal, the schools need to start complying with existing law - it sure beats going to jail, and yes, if the oil companies were colluding like the guys are, they would be in orange jump suits.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 3:38 pm to RB10
quote:Well, I'm basically the only one really responding to you, so...
You’re the only one who seems to be having trouble with it.
quote:No, but you making the same general comment multiple times stating very exactly that it'll be the same thing does indeed say that.
When I tell you the FBI will still get involved if they think there’s rampant cheating isn’t me telling you everything with the sport is going to be exactly the same
quote:lol ok
You’ve proven you can’t wrap your head around this one little concept by quoting it back at me.
quote:All the more weird for you to keep banging the drum that it'll be the SAME THING!!!
Simply put: Saying something will be easier is in and of itself saying it will not actually be the same
Posted on 10/29/19 at 3:43 pm to ShreveportLSU
I understand the intent in the new laws & really cannot take issue with the athletes in mind, but I am afraid Pandora’s Box has been opened. Distinct advantage for the large markets in the west & northeast & ugh, TX. How long before a large donor guarantees the sale of X jerseys & then donates all to god knows what charity in Mongolia to offset most of the cost with a tax deduction. Pandora’s Box.
Now, does the athlete have the right to hire an agent to manage the contracts ? Yes! Not sure how many in that profession really have the athlete’s best interest at heart.
Glad my journey will not last long enough to see the long term effect this has on college athletics. Amateurism is coming to an end. Sad day.
Now, does the athlete have the right to hire an agent to manage the contracts ? Yes! Not sure how many in that profession really have the athlete’s best interest at heart.
Glad my journey will not last long enough to see the long term effect this has on college athletics. Amateurism is coming to an end. Sad day.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 3:44 pm to shel311
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Well, I'm basically the only one really responding to you, so...
I guess you’re the only one who’s got an issue with it.
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No, but you making the same general comment multiple times stating very exactly that it'll be the same thing does indeed say that.
The only thing that I’ve said will remain the same is there will be cheating. This can literally be said about football from HS through the NFL.
Saying people will still cheat, and it will still be investigated, is a far cry from saying everything will remain the same.
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All the more weird for you to keep banging the drum that it'll be the SAME THING!!!
See above my dude.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 3:56 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
The end of amateur sports!
Posted on 10/29/19 at 3:58 pm to ShreveportLSU
Im really curious on how its going to work. Like will this affect Title IX?
Posted on 10/29/19 at 3:58 pm to UGATiger26
I agree! The sports networks make the stars. It is their benefit to produce these trademark athletes. It is the end of college sports!
Posted on 10/29/19 at 4:08 pm to lsuohiofan
What's going to happen to Division II and III schools?
and I guarantee that no-one has started to think about the taxation implications either...instead of having to deal with the NCAA, I could see the IRS being brought in...
and I guarantee that no-one has started to think about the taxation implications either...instead of having to deal with the NCAA, I could see the IRS being brought in...
Posted on 10/29/19 at 4:12 pm to vl100butch
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and I guarantee that no-one has started to think about the taxation implications either...instead of having to deal with the NCAA, I could see the IRS being brought in...
The main reason these states are passing this is the potential tax revenue, of which they’ve been getting nothing in their eyes. They don’t really give a shite about the players.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 4:26 pm to vl100butch
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What's going to happen to Division II and III schools?
and I guarantee that no-one has started to think about the taxation implications either...instead of having to deal with the NCAA, I could see the IRS being brought in...
The income laws haven't changed, not sure what the point of this is, "IRS being brought in". And it has nothing to do with "no one has started to think about"... this really isn't that complex.
At this point, it looks like the first step is the NCAA will be folding on whether the players get paid by 3rd parties... if the player has an income tax liability that is generated by it... it really has nothing to do with the schools or the NCAA. At least, that is the way they are wanting it.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 4:32 pm to ShreveportLSU
I'm sure every one of the however-many-ten-thousands of NCAA student athletes, their sports, and their teams will benefit greatly and equally and that commercial interests -such as shoe, apparel, and beverage companies- will simply expand their budgets to make this happen, as opposed to redirecting existing budgets to a very few markatable NCAA student-athletes and an even fewer number of marketable NCAA sports...
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