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Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:30 am to lostinbr
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The thing is, the coach admitted that the “you missed three pitches” comment was in response to being told the warning was for arguing balls and strikes. So regardless of whether he knew why they were warned when he first came out of the dugout, he knew the reason when he made that comment. And that’s what got him tossed.
Yep, and id expect my umps to give that leash another 2 or 3 chirps before i remove him. Like i said, i know the rule, i understand why and how it was applied, just my preference that he understand the magnitude of the game
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:30 am to NOLAblonde
Hope he learned a valuable lesson .
He did a hell of a job building/coaching a team to destroy all chance of success by a lack of self control. A talented freshman pitcher on the mound who needed stability, and the Coach squanders it.
He did a hell of a job building/coaching a team to destroy all chance of success by a lack of self control. A talented freshman pitcher on the mound who needed stability, and the Coach squanders it.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:32 am to lostinbr
quote:and based on his interactions all week with the media, I believe 0% of what he said about this situation. He was trying to cover himself.
If you listen to his press conference he made a comment along the lines of “and we can’t even appeal it because they tacked on the extended arguing, when the whole reason I was arguing was that they said I bumped the umpire.”
Basically saying that the extended arguing claim stems from being falsely accused of bumping the ump.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:33 am to josh336
My biggest take is that he was told to stop and go back to the dugout.
In that situation you DO IT... you don't expect leniency and continue to approach the umpire in an aggressive and argumentative manner.
He said he expected poise and respect or whatever.... Well that was Campos example of poise and control. He just wanted more, but that's not his delineation to make.
In that situation you DO IT... you don't expect leniency and continue to approach the umpire in an aggressive and argumentative manner.
He said he expected poise and respect or whatever.... Well that was Campos example of poise and control. He just wanted more, but that's not his delineation to make.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:38 am to tigerfoot
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I think he was trying to fire his team up and it backfired.
If this was his strategy, it was a terrible idea. He ended up getting tossed with additional suspensions. Even if his team got fired up and won, they’d be without him for the winner-take-all game.
He just lost his head. He did everything wrong in that situation and got what he deserved.
Sucks that it was the 1st inning and now one of the things people are talking about concerning the final, but he is to blame for the result.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:41 am to LSUmomma
I've thought about this for a bit.
One of three things is true:
1 The first base coach absolutely screwed his head coach by putting him in a position to get tossed. That SOB seemed to have zero self-control.
2. This was planned all along and it backfired spectacularly. They were looking for a specific tight zone and were going to try and pressure the ump to give it.
3. Both the first base coach and the head coach were hotheads who can't see past their nose, even in the most important games of their careers.
Honestly, after hearing the press conference, I can't eliminate #3. The head coach was whining about being scolded by a grown man.
That was odd. If I'm guessing, those two coaches (HC and 1B) are two peas in a pod and the roids are just a part of who they are.
One of three things is true:
1 The first base coach absolutely screwed his head coach by putting him in a position to get tossed. That SOB seemed to have zero self-control.
2. This was planned all along and it backfired spectacularly. They were looking for a specific tight zone and were going to try and pressure the ump to give it.
3. Both the first base coach and the head coach were hotheads who can't see past their nose, even in the most important games of their careers.
Honestly, after hearing the press conference, I can't eliminate #3. The head coach was whining about being scolded by a grown man.
That was odd. If I'm guessing, those two coaches (HC and 1B) are two peas in a pod and the roids are just a part of who they are.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:41 am to tigerfoot
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I think he was trying to fire his team up and it backfired.
This may have been the original thought by chirping at the ump. It was clear that the umpire doing the shooing motion is what made him loose it. He lost control of his emotions because another man shooed him away.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:44 am to Vacherie Saint
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The crew is expected to give coaches a HUGE amount of leeway, take responsibility for "de-escalating" a raging coach, and bend the rules based on the gravity of the game, but where are the expectations for a coaching staff in a championship game to not have a rec league style meltdown over the strike zone in the very first inning?
I just think the umps should only be tossing people when it’s basically unavoidable.
In this case, the way it went down was that the head coach was asking why the assistant got a warning, was told why, and then reactively said yeah you are missing calls, and then immediate ejection.
So it’s not like the head coach had been causing a big ruckus or even had time to think through what was happening. I think the coach is a hothead, but I don’t think he believed there was any way he’d get tossed for the little bit he said.
In retrospect, I think the ump should have handled it differently and given the head coach a clear and direct warning instead of using the warning for the assistant coach and then tossing the head coach the first time he said something.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:44 am to TigerLunatik
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He could have easily said "coach, anything else and im gonna have to eject you from a national championship game."
Oh? So you mean, like a warning? And if that doesn't work, maybe a second warning? Yeah, I agree, that would have been a great way to handle the situation.
Which is why I'm so mystified at the outrage and criticism directed towards the ump since that's EXACTLY WHAT HE DID!
Schnall 100% deserved to be ejected, and I'd be shocked if you could find many instances of a coach coming out of the dugout and arguing balls and strikes and ignoring not one but TWO warnings to keep coming and didn't get ejected.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:45 am to NOLAblonde
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The thing that pissed me off the most is how many idiots were saying
“it’s the 1st inning you have to give him a warning!!!!”
Yes
I would have liked to ask the announcers at what inning would it be appropriate to begin to follow the rules.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:46 am to Earnest_P
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So it’s not like the head coach had been causing a big ruckus or even had time to think through what was happening. I think the coach is a hothead, but I don’t think he believed there was any way he’d get tossed for the little bit he said.
that guy's a douche and more than likely he'd been pushing his luck all week and he got his just reward, lay off the 'roads and practice a little self restraint, jeez
This post was edited on 6/23/25 at 10:02 am
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:46 am to Dizz
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He lost control of his emotions because another man shooed him away.
It wasn't just another man. It was the one and final authority in that situation. Like many have said, it is clear that JJ did not agree with the overturning of Dickinson's HBP. At that point in that game it was a very big out. However, he as well was "shooed' back and told to stay in the dugout. At that point there is no gray area, and only one right and wrong as set by the umpire. End of story. You push back? Then you go sit the frick down in the locker room.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:47 am to LSUGrrrl
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Trust me that there was more than shown.
Do go on.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:47 am to King Joey
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Which is why I'm so mystified at the outrage and criticism directed towards the ump since that's EXACTLY WHAT HE DID! Schnall 100% deserved to be ejected, and I'd be shocked if you could find many instances of a coach coming out of the dugout and arguing balls and strikes and ignoring not one but TWO warnings to keep coming and didn't get ejected.
Where was the second warning?
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:51 am to josh336
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id expect my umps to give that leash another 2 or 3 chirps before i remove him.
Right. Like the two warnings he was given after that before he was ejected?
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:53 am to Earnest_P
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So it’s not like the head coach had been causing a big ruckus
People sitting 5 rows up have stayed that he in fact had been.
The umpires job is to start a game, run a game, and manage stuff like this as quickly and seamlessly as possible. The ump was setting boundaries and the couch rammed right on through. People complain about the length of games and such. There's really no room for a coach to come out and challenge the umpire when he was clearly told to get in the dugout. Let's say this was glossed over because it was so early, or a really important game.... How far does it go? At what point is too much? Does he know he can push around the umpire later in the game?
Absolutely not. Regulations and rules, BOUNDARIES for behavior are set in writing. follow them or risk paying the consequences.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:54 am to NOLAblonde
FAFO. frick those two assholes.
His statements about the ejection make him look like an even bigger dick.
His statements about the ejection make him look like an even bigger dick.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:55 am to NOLAblonde
Imagine arguing balls and strikes in the 1st inning.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:56 am to NOLAblonde
Here's a question - if your Schnall why not, after the next pitch, make a mound visit and stay there till the ump walks up and now you can talk to him on the way back off the field.
Wasting a mound visit is better than getting ejected from the game.
Wasting a mound visit is better than getting ejected from the game.
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