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re: NCAA approves reform | Power 5 Conferences can write own rules

Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:04 pm to
Posted by Jimbeaux28
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2007
4066 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:04 pm to
Who is going to be responsible for enforcement of the rules?

Not the NCAA
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
6798 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:05 pm to
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i prefer CFB over the NFL is because of its parity. while there certainly are advantages that bigger and wealthier schools already have over the smaller programs in the current system, having the big 5 conferences "police" themselves diminishes the parity that i love about CFB. that's what i object to
What kind of parity do you seek?

There is relative parity among the schools in the Power 5 Conferences. There is relative parity among the schools outside of the Power 5 Conferences.

There is not much parity between those two groups.

Sure, there are some small schools that will do well on occastion. However, their success is typicaly short-lived and usually the result of playing mostly other small schools.

Autonomy for the Power 5 Conferences will increase the disparity between the two groups of schools, but I don't believe it will necessarily result in more disparity among the teams in the Power 5 Conferences. In fact, parity might increase as a result of increased athletic department income.


This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 2:07 pm
Posted by SpookeyTiger
Williamsburg, MO
Member since Jan 2012
3584 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:08 pm to
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Everything you enjoyed about College Football is about to go away IMO


I agree. In 10 years it will be interesting to see where CFB is at.
Posted by RidiculousHype
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2007
10530 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:08 pm to
So let me get this straight.

Before this passed people bitched and moaned that the NCAA was a joke, with some even suggesting the biggest football schools secede from the NCAA and form its own association.

Now the NCAA loses some power and people bitch and moan anyway.

As to the people moaning about greed, you tell me a society or system that doesn't run on people pursuing their separate interests. The big conferences think they are making a good decision for them. If the quality of the product is lowered, the market will respond as it always does.
Posted by Ole War Skule
North Shore
Member since Sep 2003
3409 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:10 pm to
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In particular, rules intended to protect smaller schools and conferences will likely be eliminated. Expect players to be paid. Expect less rules on recruiting. Expect football budgets to explode.



exactly....which means..

* even higher ticket prices
* higher paid coaches
* longer practice seasons
* bigger recruiting budget
* pay for players
etc etc
..fans lose, administration and sponsors win big

All the big schools will have it, which means no one will have an advantage...big win for the athletic administration bureaucracy, but the product on the field will stay the same and we take one step closer to semi-pro minor leagues...

I would much prefer that additional limits were put on everything, especially spending...the more money the athletic departments are making, the bigger demand that players be paid...

terrible idea
Posted by Guava Jelly
Bawston
Member since Jul 2009
11717 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:15 pm to
Strange that the NCAA would essentially give away huge portions of its authority.
Kiss the NCAA goodbye, IMHO. It won't exist before too long.
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
30016 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:17 pm to
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diminishes the parity that i love about CFB.


Dude the current parity is within the big 5....that is it outside of the big 5 there is very little parity. What schools that can win consistently that are outside of the big 5 now will be in the Big 5 before this all shakes out.
Posted by RidiculousHype
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2007
10530 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:17 pm to
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even higher ticket prices

Don't pay full price. Wait until 15 minutes before kickoff. You can get every ticket but Bama for practically free. Even the Bama ticket wasn't bad. I've done it the last 2 years.

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higher paid coaches

So?

quote:

longer practice seasons

So? Players are free to quit anytime.

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bigger recruiting budget

Great!

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pay for players

I'd rather keep college football an amateur sport personally.
Posted by JawjaTigah
On the Bandwagon
Member since Sep 2003
22760 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:18 pm to
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SEC games on ESPN SEC Network in half empty mega stadiums will not be good for the sport.
Added for emphasis.
Posted by RidiculousHype
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2007
10530 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:20 pm to
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SEC games on ESPN SEC Network in half empty mega stadiums will not be good for the sport.
Added for emphasis.


It's like anything else. If a business makes decisions to turn off customers, they will lose.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
59631 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:22 pm to
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i'm definitely not having one, but the whole reason i prefer CFB over the NFL is because of its parity


Now, that's about as dumb of a comment as there is in this thread.

Posted by JawjaTigah
On the Bandwagon
Member since Sep 2003
22760 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:23 pm to
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All the big schools will have it, which means no one will have an advantage...
Actually, this may not wind up being the case. Unless the elite 5 conferences are willing to be very, very rigid and across the board consistent about setting and policing limits within their membership, some schools and conferences will be much more willing to shell out the big $$$ than others. Which will create an elite within the elites. Or, watch Bama, Texas, and Ohio State spend the rest of us into oblivion.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
6798 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:37 pm to
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exactly....which means..

* even higher ticket prices
* higher paid coaches
* longer practice seasons
* bigger recruiting budget
* pay for players
etc etc
..fans lose, administration and sponsors win big

All the big schools will have it, which means no one will have an advantage...big win for the athletic administration bureaucracy, but the product on the field will stay the same and we take one step closer to semi-pro minor leagues...
You're not even internally consistent.

How can the product on the field stay the same, if:

* higher paid coaches
* longer practice seasons
* bigger recruiting budget
* pay for players

The product on the field will be much better. The best players and coaches will go to the Power 5 Conferences. They will have more time to prepare.


Autonomy does not necessarily mean "* even higher ticket prices." Football budgets will explode due to increased revenue. Just look what the SECN did for SEC athletic budgets.


quote:

All the big schools will have it, which means no one will have an advantage...big win for the athletic administration bureaucracy, but the product on the field will stay the same and we take one step closer to semi-pro minor leagues...

I would much prefer that additional limits were put on everything, especially spending...the more money the athletic departments are making, the bigger demand that players be paid...
What you really object to pay for play. Well, it's coming. There's no way around it. I think it's long overdue.

College football today is nothing like college football in the 1950s. Thank the Lord. I see no reason why the players should not be paid.


In addition, I am a bit surprised to see all of the objections to giving 65 schools the ability to make rules for the same 65 schools. The rules will be more relevant and fit better than rules made for a larger number of schools.

Whatever happened to the idea of smaller government. Government of, by, and for the governed.

The increase in the revenue for the Power 5 Conferences will enable them to fund a better policing structure than what the NCAA has now. Again, the notorious cheaters won't make the rules. All 65 schools will make the rules. Iowa, Virginia, Arizona, and Vanderbilt are not going to vote for rules that only benefit Ohio State, Texas, Alabama, and Michigan.
Posted by LateArrivalforLSU
Ascension Parish
Member since Sep 2012
3512 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:49 pm to
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Will this allow us to get more baseball scholarships? The limit now is criminal.

Change the effing bats while they're at it.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40040 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:51 pm to
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Change the effing bats while they're at it.

Will never happen. They cited "player safety" for the original change. Can't go back on that.
Posted by Ole War Skule
North Shore
Member since Sep 2003
3409 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 3:11 pm to
quote:

quote:
exactly....which means..

* even higher ticket prices
* higher paid coaches
* longer practice seasons
* bigger recruiting budget
* pay for players
etc etc
..fans lose, administration and sponsors win big

All the big schools will have it, which means no one will have an advantage...big win for the athletic administration bureaucracy, but the product on the field will stay the same and we take one step closer to semi-pro minor leagues...

You're not even internally consistent.

The product on the field will be much better. The best players and coaches will go to the Power 5 Conferences. They will have more time to prepare.



I'm consistently consistent

we'll have
same players, just paid
same coaches, just paid more
same field
same trainers, just paid more
same recruits, we'll just spend more time and money getting them

the players MAY be a LITTLE better conditioned or trained, but so will the competitors, so we'll all end up right where we are now.

the only winners will be those employed by the 65 schools....further professionalization of an amateur sport...at some point, the university will just be the primary sponsor of the team and the kids won't even go to school

ETA; and what the hell was wrong with college football in the 50s? not that I was there to see it, but the 60s, 70s, and 80s were just fine for me and I definitely preferred the stadium atmosphere to the NBA-like barrage of piped in music, ads, contests, replay screens, and other nonsense that take away from the game itself..

yeah, I know...hey kids, get the hell off my lawn
This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 3:14 pm
Posted by 10YearOC
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2013
51 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 3:35 pm to
quote:

The increase in the revenue for the Power 5 Conferences will enable them to fund a better policing structure than what the NCAA has now. Again, the notorious cheaters won't make the rules. All 65 schools will make the rules. Iowa, Virginia, Arizona, and Vanderbilt are not going to vote for rules that only benefit Ohio State, Texas, Alabama, and Michigan.
Thank you. Someone finally understands there are more than the 15 wealthy schools in the power 5.
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
30816 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 3:37 pm to
can the SEC please change the bats back then???
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
19991 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 3:40 pm to
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Everything you enjoyed about College Football is about to go away IMO


Dumb. Paying players, insurance, more coaches, etc. means fewer underclassmen going pro early. That's really good for the game, and players staying in school for four years is something I enjoy.
Posted by tiger25
Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
2251 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 3:54 pm to
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 I see no reason why the players should not be paid.


Why is a free education not enough payment? Why should football players and basketball players get special treatment? Because they can throw or run the ball well or shoot a ball into a basket?
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