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Monde's knee down and the clock question
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:17 am
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:17 am
Did they add time back on the clock from when his knee went down?
Many looking at the replay say the refs "got this one right." But they didn't. They got it wrong initially and by not blowing the play dead when his knee went down, they earned a timeout they didn't have and the rest is history.
Many looking at the replay say the refs "got this one right." But they didn't. They got it wrong initially and by not blowing the play dead when his knee went down, they earned a timeout they didn't have and the rest is history.
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Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:18 am to Teufelhunden
They reset the clock to the time when his knee hit, then ran 10 seconds off because A&M did not have a timeout to stop the clock.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:19 am to Teufelhunden
Isn't that when they did the 10 second runoff from :36 to :26? I'd have to go back and check, but I think so.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:20 am to Teufelhunden
Another unfortunate turn in this game for LSU. If they would have ruled him down at the time, the clock would have very likely run off much more than 10 seconds.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:20 am to Teufelhunden
IDGAF if he knee was down or not. He did not have possession of the ball until he stopd back up immediately before he threw the interception.
The play should have never been called dead due to his knee going down, which is also highly questionable.
The play should have never been called dead due to his knee going down, which is also highly questionable.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:22 am to 4LSU2
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IDGAF if he knee was down or not. He did not have possession of the ball until he stopd back up immediately before he threw the interception. The play should have never been called dead due to his knee going down, which is also highly questionable.
In the NFL, he wasn't down. In college, he was. It is what it is.
It's a terrible break that they didn't blow it dead right there because A&M likely loses far more than 10 seconds.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:27 am to Teufelhunden
Yes, if his knee had been called down from the beginning, they would’ve spiked it on the next play and been in Hail Mary mode. That 4-18 never happens.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:31 am to Teufelhunden
I didn’t see anything conclusive on replay one way or another to reverse the call. The play should’ve stood as called regardless of how it was called.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:32 am to CajunAggie08
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then ran 10 seconds off because A&M did not have a timeout to stop the clock
Ok, well that's something, but it did give them a chance to get a play called and get set.
At this point at least they were being consistent in letting the play continue like the Jefferson incompletion. They abandoned that consistency in overtime with the incompletion call instead of letting it play and calling it a fumble, then reviewing. Had they done that, there wouldn't have been enough evidence to overturn it.
In the end I guess they manufactured what they wanted, a rivalry. I know I'm looking forward to the rematch.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:34 am to slackster
This exactly right. He fact that all the time they lost is 10 seconds is the difference between a win and a loss.
1 second is the difference between that spike standing with enough time to run another play and not and there is no way they would have gotten another play off (with a running clock) in less than 11 seconds, no way whatsoever.
Not only did they benefit from an extra timeout from the clock stoppage and review but ONLY the ten second runoff saved them likely another 10 seconds or so.
There were so many 50/50 calls that could be argued one way or the other and every single one of them went against LSU.
1 second is the difference between that spike standing with enough time to run another play and not and there is no way they would have gotten another play off (with a running clock) in less than 11 seconds, no way whatsoever.
Not only did they benefit from an extra timeout from the clock stoppage and review but ONLY the ten second runoff saved them likely another 10 seconds or so.
There were so many 50/50 calls that could be argued one way or the other and every single one of them went against LSU.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:08 am to slackster
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In the NFL, he wasn't down. In college, he was. It is what it is.
It's a terrible break that they didn't blow it dead right there because A&M likely loses far more than 10 seconds.
No, he still has to have possession and a knee down for a play to be dead. Otherwise anytime a fumble occurs all you have to do is drop to your knees and put a fingertip on the ball. The snap was a fumble, his knee touched and he has 3 fingertips on the nose of the ball. He grabs the ball after his knee comes up. That play shouldn’t have been reversed.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:14 am to MightyYat
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No, he still has to have possession and a knee down for a play to be dead. Otherwise anytime a fumble occurs all you have to do is drop to your knees and put a fingertip on the ball. The snap was a fumble, his knee touched and he has 3 fingertips on the nose of the ball. He grabs the ball after his knee comes up. That play shouldn’t have been reversed.
No.
You're misunderstanding. Touching the ball with a knee on the ground doesn't stop the play, but touching the ball with a knee on the ground, never losing touch with it from there, and ultimately gaining possession means you're down. You can't advance the ball.
If Mond touches it with his knee down and Devin White flies in and takes it from him, it's still a live ball, but for a ball carrier, where you make contact with the ball and what position your body is in matters all across the field. It mattered on the Mond fumble too.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:26 am to CajunAggie08
Taco boy
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:33 am to Teufelhunden
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Monde's knee down and the clock question
This one is tough to swallow and exposes a fundamental flaw in the review process.
Had the official ruled him down on the field, A&M is burning way more than 10 seconds to get the next play off. The review allows them to get set up for the next play with only a 10 second run off.
The only thing review did here was eliminate negative outcomes for A&M. Fumbling the snap and kneeling down with 36 seconds shouldn't be rewarded by incompetence. If the play goes either way it's likely 20-25 seconds off of the clock or LSU interception game over.
I'm not sure if there's a fix because every situation is unique but in this case I can't think of a bigger bad luck play for LSU.
This post was edited on 11/27/18 at 11:22 am
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:36 am to slackster
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Touching the ball with a knee on the ground doesn't stop the play, but touching the ball with a knee on the ground, never losing touch with it from there, and ultimately gaining possession means you're down. You can't advance the ball.
This is correct. Knee on the ground + contact with ball + contact maintained until possession is established. Ball is dead at spot knee touched. vs Knee on the ground + contact with ball + contact lost + stand up + scoop up ball and establish possession. Ball is live.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:42 am to Teufelhunden
doesn't the quarterback have to have possession? If Monde had "possession" then Giles fumbled punt should have been ruled down and LSU's ball. Giles had as much "possession" as Monde did.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:50 am to slackster
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In the NFL, he wasn't down. In college, he was. It is what it is.
In the NFL If the QB takes a knee ; wouldn’t he be down ??
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:57 am to Game2620
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I didn’t see anything conclusive on replay one way or another to reverse the call. The play should’ve stood as called regardless of how it was called.
This is the argument I have been making when the topic is brought up. Call on the field was an interception and it should’ve stayed that way. I’ve watched the replay a bunch and I don’t know how they saw that as conclusive.
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