re: Miles Bashing

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accept being mediocre with the best talent in the history of the program for fear of only being able to hire someone that isn't on the same level of mediocrity as Les

lsu is picked to finish 4th-in the west. state has a better coach. how far do you let the program slide?

les has two commas in his paycheck. for that type of compensation, as a customer of LSU athletics I have a right to expect a little more.

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Typical blend of sky-is-falling pessimism ,mistatement of fact,speculation and entitlement that makes this board so great.

Great original post.
51-15 is the best 5 year run in school history.
This inconvenient fact causes cognitive dissonance.
Les DESERVES this year to right the ship.
We ALL hate the last two years. It's been UGLY football.
Some of us think we get it turned around THIS year, and some people just want to burn it down.
Let's demolish NC and get behind this great team !

How many excuses are you going to make for Les and how patient are you willing to be? I'm sorry but my patience wore-out after the Ole Miss fiasco. Les Miles showed the football world that he is totally incompetent and incapable of making snap decisions in the heat of battle. He is not the man I want coaching my football team.

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Yep. Unfortunately, an entire generation of LSU fans got conditioned into this mentality of mediocrity. Instead of being a school like Alabama where 7-3 is a failure, we became a school like..well, LSU, where 7-3 was considered good. I was very glad when I thought that finally changed in the 2000s. Now, we find out whether it did or not.

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Peewee, once again the river of shite flows from your mouth. 7-3 was never EVER considered a "failure" at Alabama. You are spouting out and out lies here. No school consideres that kind of record a failure. None.
Any sane person knows that you cannot win the NC every year. It is just not possible. You will not win every game every year. Yes, it can and does happen, rarely. But it can happen. NC? Sorry, nobody wins them every year. Now and then some teams can get really lucky with very good teams with little to no injury problems and they can get on runs of 4 or 5 years where they are in the mix. That is how it is peewee and none of your pontifications will change it. Hell it's damn near a scientific fact.
I think that old guy who called all of you the video game kids was right. You think football has cheat codes and bs like that. ANY team can beat ANY team on a given saturday. You just don't know. Things happen. If Peterson didn't have the flu, along with about half the team, the week before the Alabama game, you think J Jones scores 2 td's? Things happen that effect the way teams play. Heres another thing peewee. Most of them are beyond the control of the coach.
People like you would have put Bear Bryant, Joe Paterno, Ara Parseghian, Tom Osborne, Darrell Royal, Bobby Bowden, and others on the street for not winning the NC every year or for the UNFORGIVABLE SIN of "the team doesn't look the way I want them to look."

Peewee........Screw you. You and anyone who thinks like you do. If you or any other "coaching judge" want to see real mediocrity all you have to do is look in the mirror.

<--- Cautiously optimistic about the season and the coach. Deep down in my gut, I know things aint right....

Ok, I know you were making the same point but let me point out a few things:

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Saban would have had his guys ready

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He had em ready when we went 8-5 in 02, right ?
He had em ready when Iowa punked us in 04, right ?
He had em ready when we got waxed by Ron Zook in Tiger Stadium in 03, right ?
He had em ready when Georgia put 45 on us, right ?
He had that offense ready when we only scored NINE on Auburn in 04, right ?
He had us ready when Va Tech rolled us in 02, right ?
He had us ready when only a MIRACLE at UK kept us from losing 5 out of six to finish the 02 season, right ?

The bottom line: THE SAME PEOPLE WHO WERE HYPER-CRITICAL OF SABAN ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE HYPER-CRITICAL OF MILES.

Nice post jcb236. Good to hear from an old time LSU fan that has been through the ups and downs.

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How many excuses are you going to make for Les and how patient are you willing to be? I'm sorry but my patience wore-out after the Ole Miss fiasco. Les Miles showed the football world that he is totally incompetent and incapable of making snap decisions in the heat of battle.

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He did it hundreds of times prior to the Ole Miss game....but lets forget about all the great games and focus on the last 24 seconds of one. FIRE HIS arse!!!

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Not buying this one. That's faulty logic I think. I'm sure that more schools than Bama wanted to be NC last year. Or on the pro level, I'm sure more teams than the Saints wanted to win the Super Bowl. Did John Curtis not want to beat Evangel?

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The NFL and high school references are irrelevant, since those levels are different in very significant ways from college football, but I will address the point about more schools than Bama wanting to win the NC. Yes, I'm sure they did, and yes, only one team can actually win the NC in a given year (2 if the sportswriters are dumb enough), but pretty much any program that has the determination to have an elite program has one. When they occasionally slip from it, they fire and hire coaches until they're back to it. Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, USC, Alabama, etc. do not think 8-4 on a consistent basis is OK just because it could be 4-8 instead if they fire a coach. That's one reason why those programs are elite even though a couple of them are down at the moment, and programs that embrace and accept 8-4 as "not all that bad" are not, even though the occasional one may be great in any given year or even over a few years.

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What I look for in my team is entertainment. A team to root for. To experience the incredible highs that we have over the last several years. And yes, part of that is watching them play against excellent teams that will result in losses from time to time.

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Half the time in SEC games is not "from time to time". Entertainment you can get from watching any game. A team to root for is pretty dictated for most of us, since we grew up as LSU fans and didn't shop around for a favorite team and just decide to pick LSU. So, if that's all you want, then you're pretty easy to please, and the team need never win another game to fulfill those requirements. Certainly, we do not need a $4 million a year coach, a $50 million+ a year athletic budget and ticket prices in the thousands per year to entertain you or give you a team to root for.

What we pay all that money for is to be an elite team. We've always been one of a relative few schools with the right situation to have a chance to be elite, and at long last, after more than a century of piddling around with being just good and not elite, we've made a financial commitment to be an elite power. Unfortunately, we haven't made the rest of the commitment that is required. The money is there, the resources are there, but the will is not, at least for some of us.

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I can enjoy a 9-3 season. I will say that I did not enjoy last season very much where even the wins were lackluster and the team seemed to be missing some of the magic and spirit of an LSU team. I definitely don't want to see a year like that again.

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So, then, it's simply a matter of your becoming convinced that more seasons like that are in store with Les Miles? Fair enough. What two years haven't shown you, three or four might, I guess. I have no fundamental disagreement with the folks who say that the current situation is unacceptable but they want more evidence that it is not going to improve before they want to fire the coach. We just require different levels of proof before making a move, and I can understand that perfectly well. The ones I have a fundamental disagreement with are the ones, like the OP and many others, who are OK with what's happening now and want to keep the coach because he's better than Curley Hallman and "not all that bad".

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We just require different levels of proof before making a move,

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yeah, because being 109th in the nation because of youth at QB and the OL and STILL finishing with 9 wins aren't an accomplishment in itself.

This team was on the cusp of winning 10 games last year and it's still not good enough.

What happens if they win 10 games this year? All of you guys that want to preach their disdain and their agenda against Miles never answers that hypothetical. When it's time to talk about being 8-4, they're all over it.

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but pretty much any program that has the determination to have an elite program has one.

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Are you f'n retarded? So if you don't have an elite program you're not determined enough? I guess all those dozens of teams just don't care about football enough to be elite.

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When they occasionally slip from it, they fire and hire coaches until they're back to it. Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, USC, Alabama, etc. do not think 8-4 on a consistent basis is OK just because it could be 4-8 instead if they fire a coach.

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Neither does LSU.

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and programs that embrace and accept 8-4 as "not all that bad" are not, even though the occasional one may be great in any given year or even over a few years.

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Which programs are you speaking of?

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Half the time in SEC games is not "from time to time".

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Les Miles is not .500 in SEC games

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So, then, it's simply a matter of your becoming convinced that more seasons like that are in store with Les Miles? Fair enough. What two years haven't shown you, three or four might, I guess. I have no fundamental disagreement with the folks who say that the current situation is unacceptable but they want more evidence that it is not going to improve before they want to fire the coach. We just require different levels of proof before making a move, and I can understand that perfectly well. The ones I have a fundamental disagreement with are the ones, like the OP and many others, who are OK with what's happening now and want to keep the coach because he's better than Curley Hallman and "not all that bad".

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I'll take all this with a grain of salt considering you were calling Miles the best coach in the SEC two years ago.