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re: Men's basketball and revenue sharing
Posted on 9/4/25 at 11:26 am to SuperFlyTiger
Posted on 9/4/25 at 11:26 am to SuperFlyTiger
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Punt on men's basketball.
I'd be perfectly happy if we disbanded all basketball.... Mens and women's.
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Posted on 9/4/25 at 11:35 am to SuperFlyTiger
The point of the OP is this ...
We have to give money to women's sports because of Title IX. Which is only fair anyways. So any money that's left after Football and women's sports come from the baseball budget. That's not an argument, that's facts.
Spend that money on baseball. We are and have been a baseball school sinceb1988. We are not now, nor have ever been a basketball school.
We have to give money to women's sports because of Title IX. Which is only fair anyways. So any money that's left after Football and women's sports come from the baseball budget. That's not an argument, that's facts.
Spend that money on baseball. We are and have been a baseball school sinceb1988. We are not now, nor have ever been a basketball school.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 11:50 am to Alt26
quote:for some reason there’s this portion of the LSU fan base that loves LSU baseball so much they can’t help but talk shite about LSU basketball because they feel threatened
Nah. The OP is just someone who hates men's basketball and doesn't understand business. That's why at a time when athletic depts need more money than ever, he wants LSU's AD to ignore its second most profitable business line to divert resources to two product lines than generate little to no profit for the department.
It’s so strange but been going on for as long as I can remember
Posted on 9/4/25 at 11:57 am to Pelican fan99
quote:They also label any slight basketball they do watch as streetball.
for some reason there’s this portion of the LSU fan base that loves LSU baseball so much they can’t help but talk shite about LSU basketball because they feel threatened
It’s so strange but been going on for as long as I can remember
I definitely have my opinions on what these posters look like and their background, but I won’t get into it.
It’s like the poster above that would be fine disbanding basketball on top of the OPs quadruple down on an idiot take. Let’s defund or disband the second largest revenue and profit generator for LSU athletics. Embarrassing.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 12:09 pm to SuperFlyTiger
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SuperFlyTiger
horrendous take. congrats. dont argue anymore. you've lost
Posted on 9/4/25 at 12:26 pm to SuperFlyTiger
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The point of the OP is this ...
We have to give money to women's sports because of Title IX. Which is only fair anyways. So any money that's left after Football and women's sports come from the baseball budget. That's not an argument, that's facts.
Spend that money on baseball. We are and have been a baseball school sinceb1988. We are not now, nor have ever been a basketball school.
LSU baseball is the best program in the country with the best fan support. The program is winning championships and packing the stadium. Yet, it STILL turns very little profit...if a profit at all. The loss will likely grow even bigger with the announcement of Johnson's annual salary being doubled. That's not to say Johnson doesn't deserve to be the highest paid HC. It's just that his increased salary will be a significant additional expense without a correlating increase in revenue.
The point is, LSU baseball is operating at the top of its potential. Investing significantly more money into the program is not going to increase the success because it's already at the top. All it could do is maintain status quo as the best. Men's basketball, on the other hand, is NOT maximizing its revenue generating potential. A potential that is much, much greater than baseball. That means it's worthwhile to increase investment into the program because it could deliver a much higher ROI than an increased investment into baseball...IF the program can reach the level similar to what peers like Alabama, Auburn, Florida and Tennessee are experiencing. The ONLY thing keeping LSU from reaching that level is the right HC, which those programs have, and LSU doesn't.
This shouldn't be a "I don't like men's basketball" discussion. Even if you don't, you still have to realize it's only other sport behind football than has the potential to generate significant revenues for the athletic dept as whole...revenue that would benefit ALL sports in the department, including baseball.
If you are a fan of LSU athletics you should want LSU to have a really good and popular men's basketball program...even if you don't personally like men's basketball.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 1:25 pm to Alt26
I support all things LSU. I don't hate men's basketball. We are just not good at it. Never have been. The college landscape has changed, I think several Universities will pick a sport so to say and invest more into it over others. Basketball is gonna make money regardless. We are still not gonna win on a national championship level. IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE HERE. In fact it's the only "major sport" to not win. Invest where we are good. That's my point. From the looks of Jay Johnson's new deal, LSU agrees with me.
Don't listen to what people say, watch how they spend their money.
I knew this was going to be unpopular. That doesn't make me wrong.
Don't listen to what people say, watch how they spend their money.
I knew this was going to be unpopular. That doesn't make me wrong.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 1:42 pm to PP7 for heisman
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The one time we had a coach willing to cheat outside of Dale Brown, we were very very good.
Does one Sweet 16 count as "very very good"? I'll grant that era was WAY more entertaining and successful than the current era but let's not put them in the parthenon of College Basketball just quite yet.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 1:43 pm to SuperFlyTiger
See and this is why a bunch of LSU fans are pissed about what happened with Will Wade because we had a fun time with him as the Coach and we were a very successful basketball program during his tenure. And now look where we are.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 1:44 pm to SuperFlyTiger
The quintuple down. This board is full of very content idiots.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 1:58 pm to SuperFlyTiger
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We are just not good at it. Never have been.
Of the original SEC schools only Kentucky and Florida have made more Final Four appearances than LSU (Arkansas and Oklahoma have more, but only 2 of those occurred when either school was in the SEC -- Arkansas). To say LSU has "never" been good is just flat out wrong.
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The college landscape has changed, I think several Universities will pick a sport so to say and invest more into it over others.
So in a world where athletic departments are stressed more than ever to make more and more money, you think departments are going to invest in programs that don't turn profits and have little potential to do so? Baseball is wildly popular here. It's not anywhere else (outside of maybe MS, TN and AR).
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Invest where we are good.
Investing is how you become good.
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From the looks of Jay Johnson's new deal, LSU agrees with me.
With Johnson's new deal he is now making as much as McMahon...the worst and lowest paid HC in the SEC. That, in and of itself illustrates the VAST revenue earning potential of college basketball vs. college baseball. The lowest paid basketball HC, who has had zero success, is earning as much as the highest paid baseball HC in the country.
LSU has the best HC. They already get the best players. They are winning championships. Yet, they are still running a deficit or barely earning a profit. What significant ROI would you expect a greater investment in baseball to generate when the program is already at the top of the mountain in the sport?
Turner/CBS recently signed an $8.8 BILLION extension with the NCAA for the rights to broadcast the NCAA basketball tournament. The CWS, while great, is just a throw in for ESPN. The potential revenues for a good basketball program are infinitely more than that for the best baseball program in the country...which LSU is.
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I knew this was going to be unpopular. That doesn't make me wrong.
No. It just illustrates your poor understanding of business.
It's not a what do you like more, baseball or basketball, analysis. It's simple dollars and cents. Investing to create a great basketball program makes more sense from a business standpoint than basically ignoring it (which you are advocating) to divert funds to unprofitable sports.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 1:58 pm to SuperFlyTiger
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You won't find 2 people on this board who would choose basketball over baseball. Plenty will argue that they would rather mens basketball over women's, but with title 9 and stuff, women's sports have to get their share. I'd give money to women's volleyball before I did men's basketball.
Checking in.
I will take LSU playing Tennessee or UK in a sold out PMAC during regular season over a sold out super regional at the box everyday and twice on Sunday
Posted on 9/4/25 at 2:01 pm to WaydownSouth
Also I hope everyone realizes, when it comes nut cutting time for small programs to pick and choose what sports to keep, baseball will get the axe before basketball.
You can't have a baseball program when you have no games to play because the rest of the country does not value baseball
You can't have a baseball program when you have no games to play because the rest of the country does not value baseball
Posted on 9/4/25 at 2:01 pm to SuperFlyTiger
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You won't find 2 people on this board who would choose basketball over baseball. Plenty will argue that they would rather mens basketball over women's, but with title 9 and stuff, women's sports have to get their share. I'd give money to women's volleyball before I did men's basketball.
Terrible take - LSU should be good in MBB and it’s a $ maker, especially with the right HC.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 2:05 pm to Alt26
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Investing is how you become good.
We have tried this. And tried and tried. You are what your record says you are. How much of the 21 mil is it gonna take to get us even competitive at this point?? No matter how much we make, we only have 22 mil to spend on our athletes across all sports. Why pour it down a hole?? Our SEC money from basketball is set. Could we get more for a deep tournament run?? Of course, but that has happened FIVE times in 80 years.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 2:14 pm to SuperFlyTiger
SuperFlyTiger! Just stop. You failed miserably.
Like Al Bundy would say “when you fail over and over and over….don’t try again ……JUST QUIT”!
Like Al Bundy would say “when you fail over and over and over….don’t try again ……JUST QUIT”!
This post was edited on 9/4/25 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 9/4/25 at 2:36 pm to KevinD
When you have the facts on your side, why cave??
1. LSU has 21-22 million dollars to spend on "payroll" across all sports
2. Football is going to get the lions share.
3. Title IX means women's sports get their share.
4. That leaves the remainder for basically Men's basketball and Baseball
5. Our SEC TV and revenue sharing for Men's basketball is set.
6. We can make more money in basketball IF we are good and make deep runs, as opposed to baseball which is pretty much a break even sport.
7. We are not good in basketball and never have been a consistent national power.
How can anyone argue any of those 7 points?? Please feel free.
My question to you "die on the basketball hill" guys is simple. How much of the 21-22 mil do we spend?? Every dime takes away from a sport we are better at. Our basketball money is SET. It's not going up unless we make deep runs. It's NOT smart business to invest heavy into something that has never consistently won.
How much are you willing to spend on men's basketball to lose in the sweet 16?? I knew this was going to be unpopular, but I didn't think you guys would just keep saying "we will make more IF we win!!".
IT'S NEVER HAPPENED. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK IT CAN NOW?? YOU ARE WHAT YOUR RECORD SAYS YOU ARE. LSU is a football and baseball school.
1. LSU has 21-22 million dollars to spend on "payroll" across all sports
2. Football is going to get the lions share.
3. Title IX means women's sports get their share.
4. That leaves the remainder for basically Men's basketball and Baseball
5. Our SEC TV and revenue sharing for Men's basketball is set.
6. We can make more money in basketball IF we are good and make deep runs, as opposed to baseball which is pretty much a break even sport.
7. We are not good in basketball and never have been a consistent national power.
How can anyone argue any of those 7 points?? Please feel free.
My question to you "die on the basketball hill" guys is simple. How much of the 21-22 mil do we spend?? Every dime takes away from a sport we are better at. Our basketball money is SET. It's not going up unless we make deep runs. It's NOT smart business to invest heavy into something that has never consistently won.
How much are you willing to spend on men's basketball to lose in the sweet 16?? I knew this was going to be unpopular, but I didn't think you guys would just keep saying "we will make more IF we win!!".
IT'S NEVER HAPPENED. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK IT CAN NOW?? YOU ARE WHAT YOUR RECORD SAYS YOU ARE. LSU is a football and baseball school.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:27 pm to SuperFlyTiger
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We have tried this. And tried and tried. You are what your record says you are. How much of the 21 mil is it gonna take to get us even competitive at this point?? No matter how much we make, we only have 22 mil to spend on our athletes across all sports. Why pour it down a hole?? Our SEC money from basketball is set. Could we get more for a deep tournament run?? Of course, but that has happened FIVE times in 80 years.
The investment is into a new HC. It's been shown time, and time, and time again that if you have the right HC you can win big. Alabama and Auburn didn't do shite FOREVER. They then hit on the right coaching hire and it changes everything. They aren't winning at a high level simply because they are paying more in NIL than everyone else. They are winning because they have great HCs. LSU doesn't.
But that doesn't mean you just abandoned the program and divert money to unprofitable sports that will remain unprofitable even with an increased investment. It means you accept this hire didn't work out and make a change knowing the return on the right coaching hire can produce huge returns.
Basketball has a significantly smaller roster than football and baseball. That means it takes less players to make a huge impact. It also means a programs can completely turn around their fortunes in the span of one offseason. Sitting there and saying LSU should just give up on the program because it's "never" been good (which is untrue) is an asinine way of thinking. Hell, the right HC for LSU took the worst team in the SEC and made them SEC champs in the span of just two seasons. And that was BEFORE NIL.
"But, but, but, he only did that because he was paying players" GREAT! That's the name of the game now. Get me the guy who can win with highly paid players!
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Why pour it down a hole??
I don't think you realize the irony of this question relative to your position. Diverting an increased amount of money to baseball and WBB WILL be pouring the money down a hole because :
(1) Baseball is at the pinnacle of the marketplace...and still not making a significant profit. Increased investment is not going to increase the profits. That's not LSU baseball's fault. It's simply a result of the college baseball marketplace being very small as a whole;
(2) WBB is even more of a hole because it too has a largely unprofitable marketplace.
The money talks, and CBS/Turner aren't paying $1 Billion annually for the rights to an event (NCAA Tournament) that has no market. The marketplace for men's college basketball VASTLY outweighs that for baseball and WBB. That's not a knock on those two sports. It's just reality. Thus, it would behoove LSU from a business standpoint to invest resources into trying to have a great basketball program.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:32 pm to SuperFlyTiger
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Exactly. We had to cheat to be good.
Its probably before your time, but did UCLA/John Wooden cheat?
Did Coach K? Dean Smith?
Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:43 pm to SuperFlyTiger
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6. We can make more money in basketball IF we are good and make deep runs, as opposed to baseball which is pretty much a break even sport. 7. We are not good in basketball and never have been a consistent national power. How can anyone argue any of those 7 points?? Please feel free. My question to you "die on the basketball hill" guys is simple. How much of the 21-22 mil do we spend?? Every dime takes away from a sport we are better at. Our basketball money is SET. It's not going up unless we make deep runs. It's NOT smart business to invest heavy into something that has never consistently won. How much are you willing to spend on men's basketball to lose in the sweet 16?? I knew this was going to be unpopular, but I didn't think you guys would just keep saying "we will make more IF we win!!". IT'S NEVER HAPPENED. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK IT CAN NOW?? YOU ARE WHAT YOUR RECORD SAYS YOU ARE. LSU is a football and baseball school
We make more money in basketball even if we lose.
So yes the people who produce more money should get more money.
You are a commie who wants redistribution of wealth
This post was edited on 9/4/25 at 3:44 pm
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