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re: Member when Miles supporters said, "Okay - make sure we know...
Posted on 1/10/18 at 10:18 am to Ace Midnight
Posted on 1/10/18 at 10:18 am to Ace Midnight
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Okay - you're the AD of LSU - you can magically swap Miles for O at no cost, today.
Hell no I wouldn't. Miles needed to go, but I had no idea our administration would screw this up so badly. Even after firing Miles after the Texas A&M game and then not firing him and then firing him again, I thought they may have learned from their mistakes and make it right. It's just so confounding to me that allegedly smart people make such dumbass mistakes.
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 10:21 am to kensnippy
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I thought they may have learned from their mistakes and make it right. It's just so confounding to me that allegedly smart people make such dumbass mistakes.
For all the folks who slam O for his demonstrated record of performance, are you familiar with the background of an individual named Joe Alleva?
Dude could frick up a wet dream without even being in the motherfricker.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:03 am to Ace Midnight
Miles was incredibly successful and firing him was incredibly risky.
Firing Les Miles is not like firing Curley Hallman.
It was much more likely than not that you would hire a replacement unable to replicate his success.
Jimbo Fisher is no guarantee to improve over Miles.
Miles had some quirks, some flaws like any coach or human being but he ran a tremendous program. He excelled where many others fail.
Sometimes you hire a good coach but he sucks at managing a major program. Miles was not perfect but it's going to be very difficult to find someone better.
It's hard to win, easy to lose.
Again, firing Miles was high risk with little chance of reward.
Seems like common sense to thinking people.
And to the idiots asking why hasn't Miles been offered a job the answer is because there are plenty idiot ADs in the mold of our that are fricking clueless.
Firing Les Miles is not like firing Curley Hallman.
It was much more likely than not that you would hire a replacement unable to replicate his success.
Jimbo Fisher is no guarantee to improve over Miles.
Miles had some quirks, some flaws like any coach or human being but he ran a tremendous program. He excelled where many others fail.
Sometimes you hire a good coach but he sucks at managing a major program. Miles was not perfect but it's going to be very difficult to find someone better.
It's hard to win, easy to lose.
Again, firing Miles was high risk with little chance of reward.
Seems like common sense to thinking people.
And to the idiots asking why hasn't Miles been offered a job the answer is because there are plenty idiot ADs in the mold of our that are fricking clueless.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:05 am to Topwater Trout
quote:I'll generously give 2005 a push, but '06, '07, '08, '13 and '15 all had better O than D, so that's about 50%. 2011 was a pretty good offense also and only outshone by a ridiculous D.
and other than maybe a few years our offense was always our weakness. Do you really think our offense was our strength during the CLM era?
And all Miles LSU offenses except 2009 scored more ppg than 2017(just in case you forgot
). Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:05 am to dgnx6
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These people were delusional and continue to make shite up to downgrade Les' time and prop O up.
Um, Les needed to be fired and hiring O was asinine.
So, I'm hardly "propping up" O
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:09 am to Mayhawman
A great defense gets the ball back for offenses on 3 and outs and turnovers and helps to provide good field position...not to mention defensive and ST scores. Be interesting to see offensive and defensive ranks each year. i realize that isn't a true indicator of what unit is the best but if your defense is rated top 10 and offense mid 50's the defense was the strength of the team.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:10 am to Ace Midnight
At least with O I don't have to worry about being let down every year. With Miles I ways had some glimmer of hope and that hope got shattered in the latter years. Now, I have no expectations. Pretty sad.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:11 am to Ace Midnight
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Okay - you're the AD of LSU - you can magically swap Miles for O at no cost, today.
Do you do it, yes or no?
Miles wasn't fired with the intention of promoting Orgeron, so this hypothetical is irrelevant
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:12 am to Ace Midnight
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How many LSU coaches defeated Florida, Alabama, Auburn and Tennessee in the same season?
Miles was not the same coach in 2016 that he was in 2011.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:28 am to Topwater Trout
quote:Ok, let's analyze this.
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you're the AD of LSU - you can magically swap Miles for O at no cost, today.
No. Miles was not going to adapt. O still hasn't failed. I know some on here love to be over dramtic and claim LSU football is dead but winning 9 games does not support the doom and gloom portrayed on here.
Any new head coach needs at least 2-3 years to prove himself and will get that much time regardless of how good/bad the hire is. The fact is he went 9-4 with 2 bad losses (the loss to miss st. was bad b/c of the margin, losing on the road in the sec team to a good team isn't a bad loss). Bottom line is O hasn't done anything to get fired.
On the one hand you seem to suggest that Miles HAD to go, and on the other hand you say that Orgeron hasn't failed- and you cite his 9-4 record with 2 bad losses.
quote:O has done WORSE than Miles. When Miles had lost 8-9 wins, he didn't have "bad" losses, he'd have more understandable conference losses.
Bottom line is O hasn't done anything to get fired.
If O hasn't done anything to get fired for, neither did Miles.
I mean, people state he was too stubborn and wouldn't get rid of his OC when we wanted him to.
Well, O has STARTED OUT stubborn, and is fixating on his own buddy to be OC, without the 11 win seasons and titles Miles started off with to establish that he might know what he's doing. How is that not worse than Miles' offense?
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:34 am to Topwater Trout
quote:Very true, and a Miles strength was being well rounded, with the offensive strategy also complimenting D. (Possibly some of Arranda's problem with Canada, if rumor true)
A great defense gets the ball back for offenses on 3 and outs and turnovers and helps to provide good field position...not to mention defensive and ST scores.
quote:The rank thing is meaningless as you'll notice Bama has won NCs with mid to really poor (2009?) Nat ranks.
i realize that isn't a true indicator of what unit is the best but if your defense is rated top 10 and offense mid 50's the defense was the strength of the team.
SEC rank would be a better indicator, but I don't have time to dive into it.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:42 am to Ace Midnight
Towards the end of the Miles Era some LSU fans realized that Miles was never again going to make LSU into the feared opponent it was during the Saban years.
However, they continued to support Miles because they guessed correctly that the LSU football powers that be would not be capable of finding a superior head coach, regardless of whether a better coach might be out there to be had.
FINDING and securing that superior coach is simply beyond the skills, capabilities and maybe even desires of the LSU football powers that be.
However, they continued to support Miles because they guessed correctly that the LSU football powers that be would not be capable of finding a superior head coach, regardless of whether a better coach might be out there to be had.
FINDING and securing that superior coach is simply beyond the skills, capabilities and maybe even desires of the LSU football powers that be.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:46 am to lsufball19
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Miles wasn't fired with the intention of promoting Orgeron, so this hypothetical is irrelevant
Orgeron shouldn't have even have been a possibility. Don't care if you have to go through 20 coaches to get a yes. O shouldn't have been one of those to get a chance.
IMO that makes the Miles firing a mistake because they considered Orgeron a possibility if everything fell through.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:49 am to Champagne
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However, they continued to support Miles because they guessed correctly that the LSU football powers that be would not be capable of finding a superior head coach, regardless of whether a better coach might be out there to be had.
If I said it once, I said it 1000 times, "What in Alleva's background makes you think he can pull this off?" When he admitted that he wasn't willing to bid for talent and wasn't willing to negotiate, he should have been fired on the spot.
So, while I was against firing Miles to hire O (which is EXACTLY what we did, no matter how hard folks want to spin it), I am also categorically against firing O until Alleva (and probably F. King) is replaced.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 1:10 pm to Champagne
quote:LOL, stop romanticizing.
the feared opponent it was during the Saban years.
LSU was unranked with 5 losses the year prior to NC, and 3 losses ranked 16th the year after. UGA and Iowa weren't skeered.
LSU wasn't consistent until '05-'07.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 1:14 pm to Goldrush25
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Orgeron shouldn't have even have been a possibility. Don't care if you have to go through 20 coaches to get a yes. O shouldn't have been one of those to get a chance.
IMO that makes the Miles firing a mistake because they considered Orgeron a possibility if everything fell through.
Orgeron should have been a very last resort and I agree they went with that last resort without doing their due diligence to hire a replacement. What should have happened is firing Miles after the A&M game in 2015. But Miles should not have remained the coach in any situation going forward. There are always risks involved when firing a coach. Even if you have a guy that tells you he's all in, until that name is signed on a contract, parties can back out at any time. And you can't enter a contract with a new coach before you've fired your current coach.
I don't think many people agree Orgeron should have been the guy. But just becauise he ended up being the guy they hired doesn't mean Miles never should have been fired. We would have been no better off with him as the coach he is today than we are with Orgeron. The game had clearly passed Miles by. He had been reduced to nothing more than a figure head cheerleader who refused to change anything, and I believe our season would have played out very similarly with Miles as the coach.
This post was edited on 1/10/18 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 1/10/18 at 1:37 pm to lsufball19
quote:I think W vs UF in '16, and in '17 W vs Troy, MSU and ND, maybe lose to AU.
I believe our season would have played out very similarly with Miles as the coach.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 1:40 pm to Ace Midnight
na man.
lsu recruits itself.
any idiot can win 10 games at lsu.
les miles is the only thing holding lsu back from winning titles
les miles is the only thing holding Harris and our qbs back. watch Harris will shine at NC.
lsu recruits itself.
any idiot can win 10 games at lsu.
les miles is the only thing holding lsu back from winning titles
les miles is the only thing holding Harris and our qbs back. watch Harris will shine at NC.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 1:41 pm to Ace Midnight
Even Les Miles' haters agreed with that assessment though. No one thought in our wildest dreams Alleva was ever going to hire Orgeron. If that were the case just keep les and never have an interim (fire him after the season; O can't make an impression)
Posted on 1/10/18 at 1:43 pm to lsufball19
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I don't think many people agree Orgeron should have been the guy. But just becauise he ended up being the guy they hired doesn't mean Miles never should have been fired
If he was ever a possibility then Miles shouldn't have been fired. Have your ducks in a row to where Orgeron is not a possibility, then fire Miles.
I am not on board with this idea that Miles had to regardless. It absolutely matters who was replacing him. Otherwise what drives the urgency?
This post was edited on 1/10/18 at 1:48 pm
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