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re: McMahon may prove to be a solid hire.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 12:31 pm to Tiger Ugly
Posted on 10/4/24 at 12:31 pm to Tiger Ugly
quote:i agree. He already was in a diminished role when we played Arkansas and Kentucky. And his play before the SEC schedule started suggests that it wasn't really level of play that was the only factor. For whatever reason he just didn't adapt to Baton Rouge.
I get it, but after about 10 games of him killing the team, that's too big a sample size to ignore. And that was before SEC and the teams we played were not very good at all.
But we are probably nitpicking about a season that was a loss anyway. The point guard position got better last year even with Cook doing his thing and looks to be pretty solid barring injury this year and for the future.
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Posted on 10/4/24 at 12:36 pm to Safety Blitz
Inheriting a roster with 0 players and making the nit in season 2 is good. Expectation this year to make the dance
Posted on 10/4/24 at 12:36 pm to redfishfan
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He was very good defensively in his time at LSU but there were some basic things we struggled with especially the year we had Cam Thomas. Wade himself admitted it. We were a “switch everything” defense that year and when you do that there are certain things you have to do. We didn’t do those things that season. Wade corrected it bigtime the following season though. Wade is the best basketball coach we’ve ever had at LSU so I don’t want any of this to come off as if I think he wasn’t anything other than great.
I get what you are saying, but the players, especially Cam Thomas, sucked on defense. Wade knew they sucked and tried coaching them to play better. The players he recruited were not capable. That’s why when the roster turned over and he focused on players who could defend, the defense took a massive leap and the offense took a step back. “X and Os” are important, but identifying talent and building a strategy around their strengths is what matters in sports. As you are acknowledging, Wade was great at that.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:02 pm to Primeminister337
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Takes a lot of time from the shot clock for it to start
A lot of that is because our best guard was Hannibal, a one dimensional guard we had to scheme around to make him effective.
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2. High pick and roll/pop isn’t terrible, but your ph has to really really be able to fill it up off that screen. Also I don’t like how it’s a chip screen instead of a solid one, but I Donna if that’s the player or the way it’s intended to be
Again, Hannibal and Williams are not traditional PG's. The offense made a huge leap when Cook was on the court. As average as he was, he was a threat and made the defense extend, opening up far more than any other ball handler we had. I'm not sure what a "chip" screen is. A lot of our lack of effectiveness on PNR is because we didn't have traditional PGs. A lot of times we weren't even waiting on the screener before we made a move to the basket. That might be the answer to your statement. We weren't making sure they were set.
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4. We limit ouraelf for offensive rebounds when we pick and pop with the center, I get that we want the option to give him a few looks, but if that’s the case we need to recruit a legit stretch
We didn't have the athletes to compete on the offensive glass. I would've much rather make offensive rebounding less of a priority with certain personnel. Priority #1 with Baker or Dean on the court should've been to get back in transition.
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Lastly, and this is just opinion and preference, with all the guard we have been recruiting, of run a fast break peddle to the metal offense, ya got the bodies for it, use a lot of traps, half court and full court press to create yourself extra possessions, especially if your defense is already shakey. Just find an identity to what ya do, right now we are in no mans land. I really hope coach Mac figures it out this year, I love March too much to not have a player in it
CMM has always envisioned a run and gun offense, we just swung and miss on the 2 guards that would've been effective pushing the pace(Hill, Cook).
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:03 pm to extremelsu
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Inheriting a roster with 0 players and making the nit in season 2 is good. Expectation this year to make the dance
You are aware there are multiple coaches who "inherited" rosters with less returning players than LSU had in McMahon's first season (which was 3, not 0) who made the NCAA Tournament in their FIRST season. You're probably going to see John Calipari do it this year at Arkansas despite "inheriting" only one player from last season's team. So what if he had "0" players in April? LSU didn't play a game in April. By the time the season started he had a full roster. A roster of HS recruits and college basketball players. It wasn't a team comprised of local YMCA players.
I'm not saying immediately reaching the NCAA Tournament in your first season should be the expectation. But we have some (many) who evidently think it is still 1985, or even 2015, where it must take years to have a good team. Hell, Wade took over a team that had gone 10-21 (2-16) and by year two, without the freedom of transfer rules, led LSU to it's best regular season in 40 years 26-5 (16-2).
By no measure is a two year record of 31-35 (11-25) "good". That doesn't mean McMahon can't have a great season this year. I hope to hell he does. But bending over backwards to justify his first two seasons at LSU as anything more than below average and that it is simply the best anyone could do is absurd.
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:13 pm to Alt26
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I'm not saying immediately reaching the NCAA Tournament in your first season should be the expectation. But we have some (many) who evidently think it is still 1985, or even 2015, where it must take years to have a good team. Hell, Wade took over a team that had gone 10-21 (2-16) and by year two, without the freedom of transfer rules, led LSU to it's best regular season in 40 years 26-5 (16-2).
Not sure this can be justified as true without saying he made that much of a jump by clearly paying players that probably wouldn't have come here without a check. Any Wade success can be argued with the fact that he did cheat. I personally know a McNeese Booster that has opened his wallet up for him to get quality players over there, so there no way to quantify how well he would've done had he not payed players. We really can't use that argument.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:28 pm to mmcgrath
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But we are probably nitpicking about a season that was a loss anyway. The point guard position got better last year even with Cook doing his thing and looks to be pretty solid barring injury this year and for the future.
Yes, it's a bit nit-picking but it was still enough in SEC play to be too much IMHO...but I'll move on.
But there are other better examples of what I'm talking about, one I stressed more than Hill. Let's see how he handles rotations with the crew he has coming in this year.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:36 pm to Alt26
quote:examples?
You are aware there are multiple coaches who "inherited" rosters with less returning players than LSU had in McMahon's first season (which was 3, not 0) who made the NCAA Tournament in their FIRST season.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:41 pm to Pmac96
We’re also already getting the make believe Wade stories and excuses from the macolytes.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:06 pm to extremelsu
quote:You didn't like his Calipari example? Because going to a school with a $5 million NIL budget didn't give him an advantage over McMahon, am I right?
examples?
Posted on 10/4/24 at 3:04 pm to mmcgrath
Yea starting from scratch basically at LSU after a shite show that led to firing one of the best coaches in LSU history is the same as stepping into a pretty situation as a well established high level coach.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 3:23 pm to extremelsu
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You are aware there are multiple coaches who "inherited" rosters with less returning players than LSU had in McMahon's first season (which was 3, not 0) who made the NCAA Tournament in their FIRST season.
examples?
He will use Tang from KState.
Went 26-10 and lead KState to the Elite 8 his first year and followed that up with a 19-15 record (8-10 Big 12) and earned an NIT bid his second year. He also had 7 players enter the portal after last year, one was Cam Carter. He will be hit or miss every year, he is a year to year coach. Come here to give yourself an opportunity in a year or two at a "bigger school" and a high roster turnover rate.
We don't want to be one of those programs. Just trust the process.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 4:31 pm to JWill409
Every time a discussion of McMahon comes up there are several who chime in a say something along the lines of “he was left with 0 players. Considering that, he’s doing pretty good”. As if 2-16 in conference and being one of the worst major conference teams in the country was the best anyone could do. I’m simply pointing out, with facts, that there were other coaches in recent years who inherited depleted roster and won right away. It’s done to rebut the false narrative that McMahon was placed in a situation where last place and uncompetitive in conference play was the best he, or anyone else, could reasonably do.
No one expected McMahon to make the NCAAT in his first season, including me. No one is upset that he didn’t, including me. But there is a world of difference between not making the tournament and looking like you don’t even belong on the same court as other SEC teams. So I don’t agree with the position he should be above criticism because he was “dealt an unwinable hand.” Even with low expectations he flopped that first season. It’s ok to acknowledge and accept that. It doesn’t mean he can’t have a great season this year. It just means that until that happens there is a reasonable basis to be skeptical.
No one expected McMahon to make the NCAAT in his first season, including me. No one is upset that he didn’t, including me. But there is a world of difference between not making the tournament and looking like you don’t even belong on the same court as other SEC teams. So I don’t agree with the position he should be above criticism because he was “dealt an unwinable hand.” Even with low expectations he flopped that first season. It’s ok to acknowledge and accept that. It doesn’t mean he can’t have a great season this year. It just means that until that happens there is a reasonable basis to be skeptical.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 4:49 pm to Alt26
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You are aware there are multiple coaches who "inherited" rosters with less returning players than LSU had in McMahon's first season (which was 3, not 0) who made the NCAA Tournament in their FIRST season. You're probably going to see John Calipari do it this year at Arkansas despite "inheriting" only one player from last season's team. So what if he had "0" players in April? LSU didn't play a game in April. By the time the season started he had a full roster. A roster of HS recruits and college basketball players. It wasn't a team comprised of local YMCA players.
I'm not saying immediately reaching the NCAA Tournament in your first season should be the expectation. But we have some (many) who evidently think it is still 1985, or even 2015, where it must take years to have a good team. Hell, Wade took over a team that had gone 10-21 (2-16) and by year two, without the freedom of transfer rules, led LSU to it's best regular season in 40 years 26-5 (16-2).
By no measure is a two year record of 31-35 (11-25) "good". That doesn't mean McMahon can't have a great season this year. I hope to hell he does. But bending over backwards to justify his first two seasons at LSU as anything more than below average and that it is simply the best anyone could do is absurd.
Agreed, admittedly I had purple and gold LSU bball witch hunt victim colored lenses in assessing CMM's first two seasons when the reality was different. CMM did a great job signing solid recruiting talent immediately upon assuming the job and filling the roster with D1 players and we started out hot but for some reason, the wheels fell off in SEC play after the Arkansas win. That unmistakably influenced my projection of what year 2 would produce in terms of results especially since our 2023 HS recruiting class did not replicate or exceed what 2022's was but we gained solid D1 transfers again and, but for sucking the first couple of months of the season, managed to compensate by achieving a .500 conference record and overall winning record despite not making March Madness.
Your point obviously stands as we approach MM's 3rd year, the results ie NCAA Tournament appearances and SEC success need to come or this hire's metaphorical seat becomes pretty damn hot. We'll see.
Woody's obviously stabilized our top sports by hiring top coaches. I would've hired Golden to replace WW not MM, I didn't even consider MM a candidate for our job after WW got fired so that was surprising. If we don't see results, Woody won't be above firing him for someone better especially since the cloud of NCAA sanctions and all that witch hunt BS won't constitute a factor anymore in our pursuit of elite talent going forward.
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:00 pm to Alt26
I’m not defending the bad year he had to start, he had a top 15 or 25 class in the portal, it’s just none of those players really hit and neither did the ones that stayed. Miller was a massive disappointment. Cam Hayes as well.
This system relies on a very high skilled PG. Everything flows through that. It helps to have a big that can shoot as well. Other than Cook, we haven’t had a capable PG that fits the system to date. There is a wealth of it this year. Not only do we have a true PG but we also have true combo guards to complement. We were a very respectable team last year without the most important piece of the offense.
LSU fans will be impressed this year, I guarantee it. This team will exceed expectations.
This system relies on a very high skilled PG. Everything flows through that. It helps to have a big that can shoot as well. Other than Cook, we haven’t had a capable PG that fits the system to date. There is a wealth of it this year. Not only do we have a true PG but we also have true combo guards to complement. We were a very respectable team last year without the most important piece of the offense.
LSU fans will be impressed this year, I guarantee it. This team will exceed expectations.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:51 pm to JWill409
quote:Can you define the expectations?
LSU fans will be impressed this year, I guarantee it. This team will exceed expectations.
Hey JWill, regardless of what we all slap-fight about, let's just set the goalposts.
Start with expectations and then your thought on exceeding those expectations.
This is not me being an a-hole, man. All I want to do is win throughout my fandom.
I just want to know so when it's mid-Jan/early-Feb and we are either doing well or not so well and the people I call "drive-by" fans change their entire pre-season expectations.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 9:16 pm to drizztiger
I get two immediate downvotes asking to define expectations and saying I want to win.
That's TD in a shell for fake LSU Basketball fans.
That's TD in a shell for fake LSU Basketball fans.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 7:45 pm to drizztiger
He is doing it. This class looks solid.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 8:00 pm to Safety Blitz
quote:Yeah, let's do this!
He is doing it. This class looks solid.
This post was edited on 10/16/24 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 10/16/24 at 8:05 pm to drizztiger
Look, I’ve been disappointed Will Wade isn’t our coach since the day he was let go.
At times I have questioned McMahon’s fit here and especially his ability to recruit our program. At this point I am choosing to see the positive movement and trajectory of where we are. Certainly still much left to prove, but Geaux Tigers.
At times I have questioned McMahon’s fit here and especially his ability to recruit our program. At this point I am choosing to see the positive movement and trajectory of where we are. Certainly still much left to prove, but Geaux Tigers.
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