re: MBB: LSU 82 vs UK 87 Final | SEC Tournament | Tigers fight hard and Mackinnon puts up 28

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LSU will finish this season as the second worst defensive team since 2000 the only team worse on defense was the last Johnny Jones team. No-one likes to admit it, but offensively we were more than capable winning games (this one as a prime example) But we have been so atrocious on defense we were asking the offense to be near perfect every night.

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I don't know what metric you are looking at, but MM's 1st team was far worse defensively. Wade also had some shitty defensive teams too.

In least inspiring introductory press conference ever McMahon made mention that "balance" (i.e. being good on both offense and defense) was the key to great success. And he was right. But as we soon came to learn, it was just the first of many banal platitudes with no real substance behind it we'd hear for the next four years.

Give him credit thought. He said he was going to make LSU a "balanced" team...and he did. Using the current KenPom ratings for this season, over the course of the last 4 years LSU's average offensive efficiency rank was 108 nationally. LSU's average defensive efficiency rank was 113.

True to his word, LSU was balanced. They were equally bad on BOTH ends of the floor.

I was talking about the season as a whole. It’s not really an excuse as it is fact. Basketball is not football, if you lose 2 really good players(1 potentially all conference player) who by the way are the 2 most important positions in your offense, for the year, it’s a huge deal. We lost 20+ppg at least 5rpg and 8asts a game, not to mention having to grow with a freshman PG and forcing an off guard to play PG that contributed to a lot of turnovers at times. That’s a lot to make up, and we’re not spending 12m a season to have 5* freshman behind them. It’s just the reality of it.

As I’ve stated many times, I’m completely fine with a change. I understand a change, but I also understand why they would keep him. Some of you are so dug into wanting him gone that facts are ignored.

Lol

Please explain what facts justify a 17-55 4 year SEC record. Not made up Tigersbb facts but actual facts? I will hang up and listen.

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I was talking about the season as a whole. It’s not really an excuse as it is fact. Basketball is not football, if you lose 2 really good players(1 potentially all conference player) who by the way are the 2 most important positions in your offense, for the year, it’s a huge deal. We lost 20+ppg at least 5rpg and 8asts a game, not to mention having to grow with a freshman PG and forcing an off guard to play PG that contributed to a lot of turnovers at times. That’s a lot to make up, and we’re not spending 12m a season to have 5* freshman behind them. It’s just the reality of it.

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Here are some additional facts.

The last full season Reed played he averaged 7.0 ppg and 4 rpg. For context, Pablo Tamba averaged 8/7 this season.

But Reed was ready to have a break out year last season!!!! Just look at the West Virginia tournament where he scored 14 and 16 (in regulation). In 23-24 he scored 16 vs. Dayton, 14 vs. Syracuse, 12 vs. K-State. What did it translate to in SEC play? Pablo Tamba. Reed only became LSU's "best" player or a "great" player when he got hurt...because there was an excuse looking for a cause.

But we lost Thomas!!! True. However, he also played in 5 games vs. major conf. opponents. LSU's record in those 5: 1-4 with an average margin of defeat in the 4 losses of 15

Actual data doesn't support the argument that LSU would have been much better, if at all, this year with those two. But when you are always in search for an excuse I guess you try to use what you can. I suppose that is why despite being hypothetically 55-17 in SEC play with a hypothetical All SEC player in Reed, he's ACTUALLY 17-55 with a 7/5 rotational player who wasn't available for much of two seasons.

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All of this is great and fine. How do you explain every single team the last 4 years playing exactly the same, making the same mistakes?

There has been one constant here over the last 4 years. McMahon.

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I can easily explain. Year 2 wasn't a "failure" for one. We actually exceeded expectations that year, I want to say we were projected near last in the SEC. The other facts are we were bottom of the barrel in NIL. I am by no means advocating for McMahon to come back, he hasn't earned that but he is a good young coach, and unfortunately this is an era where only results matter. He will do fine somewhere else.

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I can easily explain. Year 2 wasn't a "failure" for one. We actually exceeded expectations that year, I want to say we were projected near last in the SEC. The other facts are we were bottom of the barrel in NIL. I am by no means advocating for McMahon to come back, he hasn't earned that but he is a good young coach, and unfortunately this is an era where only results matter. He will do fine somewhere else.

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You’re not fooling us. Why are you arguing so much for a guy you want to see go? You’re brainwashed.

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Please explain what facts justify a 17-55 4 year SEC record. Not made up Tigersbb facts but actual facts? I will hang up and listen.

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You're right. Going 17-55 says it all. Going 3-16 in SEC games this season is more than bad luck with injuries. It speaks to the lack of depth and a failure to develop players, both of which fall under the head coach's list of responsibilities.

And on the off-chance a coach does go 17-55 over 4 years solely on bad luck, he still needs to be fired for being a bad-luck charm.

Just need to add a top 10 player.

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But those aren’t facts so try again

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He asked how I explain it, which means he was asking for my opinion. The other stuff I said are facts, but you didn't respond to those as usual.