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re: Marcel Brooks' Position
Posted on 1/23/20 at 4:54 pm to Lsutigerturner
Posted on 1/23/20 at 4:54 pm to Lsutigerturner
You have five scholarship inside linebackers for next year. That's it.
You don't have personnel for a 3-4. You have personnel for a shifting 4-3 that uses a nose guard.
You think you don't have 4-3 defensive ends? Really? Go back and look up who played defensive end at LSU when we've been a 4-3 defense. There is no definition of a 4-3 defensive end. Tyson Jackson, Melvin Oliver, Gabe Northern, Marcus Spears, Lewis Neal and Barkevious Mingo have all played a 4-3 defensive end at LSU and been damned good at it.
Feel free to explain how a Marcus Spears or Tyson Jackson is a 4-3 defensive end and Neil Farrell is not. Happy to listen.
You don't have personnel for a 3-4. You have personnel for a shifting 4-3 that uses a nose guard.
You think you don't have 4-3 defensive ends? Really? Go back and look up who played defensive end at LSU when we've been a 4-3 defense. There is no definition of a 4-3 defensive end. Tyson Jackson, Melvin Oliver, Gabe Northern, Marcus Spears, Lewis Neal and Barkevious Mingo have all played a 4-3 defensive end at LSU and been damned good at it.
Feel free to explain how a Marcus Spears or Tyson Jackson is a 4-3 defensive end and Neil Farrell is not. Happy to listen.
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 4:56 pm
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 4:57 pm to cjmeatballs
quote:move Stevens to pure LB and thats a fast arse defense
maybe he will move back to safety but play more towards the LOS, as a hybrid safety/LB, similar to Jacoby Stevens this year.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 5:03 pm to cjmeatballs
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would we switch to 4-3 with no pure 4-3 defensive ends? Farrell and Logan are DTs, and do we really want Andre Anthony and Ray Thornton on the field that much?
you'll have to bite the bullet up front to get to 4-3.
besides, 2011 defense was built with pretty slinder DE's in Mingo and Montgomery. As long as they can get off blocks its not a big deal.
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 1/23/20 at 5:04 pm to cjmeatballs
I thought they wanted him to be like Delpit and play a box safety kind of?
Posted on 1/23/20 at 5:07 pm to SportTiger1
I think everybody is getting too wrapped up in formations and positions. We will use multi fronts and guys will play various different places. Stevens and Brooks will move all around. Whatever maximizes and puts the best 11 guys on the field..
Posted on 1/23/20 at 5:12 pm to macaoidh
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You have five scholarship inside linebackers for next year. That's it.
did we have more than 5 scholarship ILBs this year? correct me if im wrong, but believe that number was no more than 5 and we played a 3-4.
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Feel free to explain how a Marcus Spears or Tyson Jackson is a 4-3 defensive end and Neil Farrell is not. Happy to listen.
i dont necessarily disgaree with your logic that a 4-3 DE can come in many forms. but Farrell does not strike me as a guy that possesses the level of athletic ability to play a 4-3 DE. there may be other guys on the roster that fit that role a little better than him though, but he is a 3-tech in a 4-3.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 5:13 pm to SportTiger1
2011 DEs
Mingo 6'5" 250lb
Montgomery 6'4" 245lb
Adams 6'5" 255lb
Rasco 6'3" 255lb
2019 OLB
Chaisson 6'4" 250lb
Divinity 6'2" 240lb
Anthony 6'4" 250lb
Thorton 6'3" 230lb
Mingo 6'5" 250lb
Montgomery 6'4" 245lb
Adams 6'5" 255lb
Rasco 6'3" 255lb
2019 OLB
Chaisson 6'4" 250lb
Divinity 6'2" 240lb
Anthony 6'4" 250lb
Thorton 6'3" 230lb
Posted on 1/23/20 at 5:14 pm to cjmeatballs
Depends on what we run. In a 3-4 he’s a box safety. In a 4-3 he’d be a will backer
Posted on 1/23/20 at 5:17 pm to SportTiger1
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2019 OLB
Chaisson 6'4" 250lb
Divinity 6'2" 240lb
Anthony 6'4" 250lb
Thorton 6'3" 230lb
this really isnt relevant now though. Chaisson and Divinity are gone.
and Anthony and Thornton have shown nothing throughout their careers.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 5:29 pm to jayboy504
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Have no clue why people keep putting this stuff out there when there’s ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that says this is likely... The personnel that was recruited in this class suggests the alignment is going to remain 3-4.... LSU does not have a single 4-3 de on this roster
I’m not saying it’s the right thing to do.
You are completely right in saying we have the ideal personnel for a 3-4 defense.
Though I’m with you that a DC SHOULD adapt his scheme to the personnel he’s dealt, it’s usually not the reality. That’s one of the things Aranda was brilliant at - creating roles and putting guys in positions that suit their strengths.
From what I’ve seen out there, I just don’t have faith in another DC being that creative and detailed.
Will the next DC have the same vision for Brooks as Aranda did? I have my doubts.
They’ll see his current size, speed, and ball skills and lazily think Safety. Sadly.
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 1/23/20 at 5:37 pm to cjmeatballs
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and Anthony and Thornton have shown nothing throughout their careers.
I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Thornton when he’s gotten PT.
I’m not sleeping on the potential for him to take the next step in his development.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 5:40 pm to cjmeatballs
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did we have more than 5 scholarship ILBs this year? correct me if im wrong, but believe that number was no more than 5 and we played a 3-4.
At the beginning of the season you had...
Phillips
Divinity
Queen
Clark
Baskerville
McCallum
Starks
So that's seven.
They ended up not using Divinity inside all that much and then McCallum quit, but you started the season with 3 1/2 strings of ILB's.
Now you have three, only two of whom have played. You're adding a couple of true freshmen to get to two and a half strings, which makes you paper thin.
And then there's the question of getting the best 11 on the field, which has to include both Stevens and Brooks since they might be the best players you have outside of Stingley this fall. How do you do that? Brooks isn't going to gain 30 pounds in the offseason to play Chaisson's position, and I don't even think you want him to. Stevens maybe could be a 3-4 ILB, but that's a lot different position than he's been playing. For both of those guys you want to put them in space where they can pursue the ball and make plays. That's what 4-3 OLB's do, and they generally don't have to be all that big to do it.
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i dont necessarily disgaree with your logic that a 4-3 DE can come in many forms. but Farrell does not strike me as a guy that possesses the level of athletic ability to play a 4-3 DE. there may be other guys on the roster that fit that role a little better than him though, but he is a 3-tech in a 4-3.
Nobody thought Lewis Neal could play a 3-4 defensive end either, but lo and behold he did.
Farrell would probably have to lose a little weight to be a 4-3 DE, but he's listed at, what, 295? We've played a number of guys that weight at a strong side DE in a 4-3. What we know about Farrell is that he's a penetrator who can rush the passer some and he plays with a nice motor, and he's strong as a moose at the point of attack. That isn't a bad starting point.
Not to mention, we have damn near a dozen guys who would project as DE's in a 4-3. If you hate Neil Farrell there, feel free to pick a couple others among them. They come in all shapes and sizes.
Neil Farrell
T.K. McClendon
Andre Anthony
Travez Moore
Ray Thornton (who I would put at Sam or Will in a 4-3)
Soni Fonua
Ali Gaye
Jerell Cherry
Ray Parker
Desmond Little
Eric Taylor
Philip Webb
B.J. Ojulari
Out of all of those you really don't think we can find a couple of strings of DE's who can play?
Posted on 1/23/20 at 6:21 pm to jayboy504
Sounds ridiculous I agree. Most DC have the ability to run either and you’d think at the very least if the new DC wanted to run a 4-3 he would be pigeonholed into running a 3-4 at least next year. Remember when aranda got here we basically didn’t even have enough scholarship LB to start a team but he remedied that quickly. Could go either way in the long ur in but one would think with our personnel we will run a 3-4 at least next season.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 6:24 pm to Lsutigerturner
Agreed. If the new DC is more comfortable with a 4-3 that’s ok but really not for next year. We have a few guys who can play 4-3 but they would need a solid recruiting class to fill out the roster for a full transition. IMO I’m ok with either 3-4 or 4-3 depending on personnel. They can both work but only with the proper players for each. ?????
Posted on 1/23/20 at 6:26 pm to brmark70816
I’m less concerned with the front and more concerned with how the new DC will utilize the secondary. I for one am not a fan of our DC playing much zone at all. I prefer when we play press man coverage and allow our backend athletes to do work. As long as whatever front we use pressures the QB enough to allow us to play LSU ball on the backend I’m fine
Posted on 1/23/20 at 6:28 pm to cjmeatballs
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its tough to expect true freshmen, especially true freshmen lineman/edge rushers, to come in and contribute right away
Yet we expected it from both Arden Key and K’Lavon and both delivered
Posted on 1/23/20 at 6:35 pm to cjmeatballs
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Jacoby's future lies in embracing a position change to LB
It worked for Eric Alexander, he switched from safety to LB his senior year in '03. Played in the NFL from '04 to '10.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 6:46 pm to cjmeatballs
quote:
this really isnt relevant now though. Chaisson and Divinity are gone.
and Anthony and Thornton have shown nothing throughout their careers.
With that attitude we dont have the personnel to run a 3-4 either
Posted on 1/23/20 at 7:32 pm to cjmeatballs
Brook is known for being an aggressive physical player who can get to and hit a QB or RB and not so much for his coverage skills. He plays like a LB or DE. Problem is he is only 195 lbs. He should be a safety but does anyone know what kind of coverage skills he has. Did he ever play in coverage in high school? He hasn't here at LSU. Hew is always rushing the QB when he is in. Is there a reason he is never in coverage?
Posted on 1/23/20 at 8:19 pm to cjmeatballs
MB is going to be 1st team All SEC next year
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