re: LSU's lack of offense creativity is a crock

Would you describe Bama's offense as "creative?" Seems like they do well by excellent o-line play and great fundamentals.

Any reason we cant' aspire to do the same.

More play-action would be nice (which it seems we began more of) - but I don't think "creative" is what I want LSU to aspire to be on offense. Just good fundamentals.

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5 man line.
Travis Dickson at TE to the right.
Ware at QB
Hill at RB
Shep at left slot
OBJ and Landry or Wright or Boone at WR.

Always put Shep in motion. Defense has to respect him on a sweep.

Ware has the ability to hand it to Shep. Hand it to Hill. Run it himself. Or pass. As well as the option game.

That offense could be unstoppable.

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Wow great thought.

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PurpleAndGold86

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I like your argument but in Coops defense most passes against UF in the second half were on the last drive

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I actually agree, but who on the coaching staff is going to force Miles to "break his tendencies"? So far, we have been through multiple OC's, varying degrees of style and talent at QB and on offense, and no one has been able to do it except for Crowton in '07. Miles, despite the talent that he has and coaching staff's abilities, does not make the offensive adjustments that play to his team's strength. He's got a set philosophy and he runs with it, all others be damned.

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I just find it hard to believe that les started calling plays one day out of nowhere. So he has also had last years offense, 06, 05, 07, 08. Multiple OCs? We had Jimbo, a head coach now, Crowton, somewhere in the cfl, and krags, parkinsons. I dont think 3 coaches in 8 years is bad. Especially when one went to be a hc somewhere.


Adjustments? Well we made adjustments to cater to jordan jefferson. We made adjustments when we went from jmarc to flynn. And we made adjustments when we went from JJ to mett. Its pretty obvious the staff has tried to cater the offense to the starting qb. It just sucks that Lee and JJ werent very good. A lot of JJ playing is they were prob trying to do with him what they wanted to do with RP.

We attempted 19.9 passes a game last season, 27.5 this season. by looking at the attempts we were below 19.9 in 09 and 10.

This team actually reminds me of the 05 team. Breaking in a new starting qb and the defense was shaky at times.

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would say they're creative in the fact that they do things that give them advantages on offense. i.e. plenty of 1 back stuff to remove people from the box when running. Simple playactions to the TE in the flat. Just a much more efficient, more smooth of an offense than LSU has. Imo.

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A reason for that aslo is 1) way better oline play.
2) their qb protected the ball in every game they won.

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We just need to be less predictable and scout our own tendencies

It's not about having exotic plays. It's about not being predictable.

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AKA the Alabama gameplan. Outside of a few bone headed risks les decided to take, that was one of the best game plans that I've seen during his tenure.

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LSU GrandDad

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the plays in our arsenal now that we got the OL settled are plenty good enough to win an NC with. we don't need to be throwing the baby out with the bath water. what needs to change is our tendencies in certain situations, OFFENSE AND DEFENSE. late in a game where we must have a first down against a quality team, three plays up the middle against a stacked line just didn't do it. EVERYBODY knew what was going to be ran and it came true and is esp. true if the other team has it's time outs. our OL cannot move 8 guys back 4 yards. and sabans comment about our D in the waning moments of both halves of the bama game should be addresses. WE DID JUST WHAT WE ALWAYS DO AND PLAYED RIGHT INTO HIS HANDS. just my two cents on the offense flap.

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On one hand, I agree with you. But in the same breath I have to disagree as well.

We routinely mismatch personnel with playcall. Edge runs with Ware off the C-Gap with any amount of horizontal running is without question a terrible idea. Look at the results of this guy in at tailback on those plays. It is a similar result every time.

The same can be said of Ford. Last year he proved himself running off-tackle, & against A&M, how much more does this guy have to do with the way he hit the edge on his 4th down run & his TD run later in the game? Yet he takes 1-2 carries, and then gets shuffled out.

Bottom line is that we need to not only play to our personnel's strengths, but also playcall to our player's strengths as well.

In the passing game is where I'm really irked. But its all connected so I'll just start it like this.

We bunch up tight on our splits in the run-game mostly. When we're in the I-formation, our lack of throwing out of that formation gives us a tendency that teams can load that box and bunch it in really tight.

The problem for me is that once this occurs, play-action becomes a moot point. When the box is stacked, you lose the real hard bites on play-action that Mett's capable of. Watch the tape. He sells a hard play-fake and he's very, very good at it.

Instead, since we run such tight splits and I-Formation so much, the box stays stacked, and we can't utilize PA-passing with any semblance of effectiveness. Beyond that, tight-end motion is completely out of the question in terms of being used for signaling a defense's hand pre-snap so Mett can make a good read. That's because the position's gathered dust at LSU in the passing game and has for years.

This is Miles' hard-headedness showing. Because he thinks he'll give up an advantage in the running game, he'd rather his passing game play with a deck of 51, so to speak. With weak receivers who had a case of the drops early, that's a recipe for stagnation and that's exactly what happened.

I'm not a coach. I haven't stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. But, I will give you my Miles-friendly solution that would truly open our offense up.

Run a 3 WR, single TE or even I-Formation personnel grouping. Heck run 22 personnel and flex a TE out every now and again.

But lining the receivers out past the numbers with a slot man plus a TE in there-and actually utilizing the TE a bit-will spread a defense out. They simply cannot protect the middle-or "the box"-and it will get uncrowded in there in a hurry.

Having to account for the three receivers along with a potential for a TE route means the defense plays in space as opposed to inside the box for run-stopping. The space advantage by unclogging the box in and of itself would be beneficial to the run game. Going against less than 8 men in the Box would be a walk in the park for this OL.

The run lanes open, and teams would sag in, safeties come up. That's when you go for fade routes over the top, or run some streaks down the field. Maybe even catch a TE on a hesitation route or double move.

If the corners are playing inside technique, then chuck the out route a bit. If they're protecting the boundary or playing off, throw the receiver screen or the quick slant.

You don't need a myriad of plays. You don't have to run into the teeth of a stacked box. Just utilize your formations properly to dictate to a defense where they can line-up pre-snap. Forcing them into a bigger space means they have to defend more of the field.

This is simple stuff. I just wish to hell we'd use it more often.

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Heck run 22 personnel and flex a TE out every now and again.

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Against Alabama we lined Jacobs outside the numbers all night.

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I like what our offense has become in the latter part of the season... ie. balanced.


At the beginning of the year it was just way too vanilla.

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Ask yourself a question, why does it always take until the latter part of the season before we see it? What is the common denominator h ere?

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Ask yourself a question, why does it always take until the latter part of the season before we see it?

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It doesn't...in past years folks bitched about regression