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re: LSU will be the most coveted HC position in a long time
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:21 pm to TigerRagAndrew
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:21 pm to TigerRagAndrew
So you think it'll be Hudspeth too??
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:23 pm to Hiyoka
I think most coaches would be salivating at the chance they have at LSU year 1.
I think LSU can win the natty YEAR 1. Bookmark this frickheads.
I think LSU can win the natty YEAR 1. Bookmark this frickheads.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:29 pm to Hiyoka
lsu is a much better job than usc - better fan support, women, booster money, facilities, cost of living, and culture (most fb coaches are conservative and christian).
only bama, florida, and texas are arguably better jobs than lsu.
only bama, florida, and texas are arguably better jobs than lsu.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 1:02 pm to Switzerland
Try to at least be a little objective. LSU has a great recruiting territory, but also has more competition than any time in the last 15 years. Despite LSU's consistent winning over that span, Bama has made significant inroads (for obvious reasons), but Ole Miss, A&M, and Auburn have also had major success, and even Arkansas and State have plucked some guys right out from under us. A new staff isn't guaranteed ANYTHING in recruiting. They will have to hire the right staff and earn their pay.
Also, for the advantages that LSU has, it is in the toughest division in all of college football. That doesn't show any sign of changing soon. If anything, it will just get wilder when Saban finally hangs it up. Any potential candidate is going to ask themselves, "Do I really want to go through that gauntlet every year, when there are easier paths to a playoff birth?" Coaches are known for their egos, but a guy in a great spot where he's happy may not want to uproot to take on our schedule every year.
All that said, if we do replace Miles, it will be a very attractive opening. A new guy would have an opportunity to take over a roster that isn't perfect, but is certainly better than in the case of most coach firings. Take a look at VA Tech, USCe, and Mizzou. Which roster would you want to coach out of the gate?
A top recruiter will also salivate at the prospect of holding down as much of this great class as possible. There is potential for a Malzahn-like year 1, if things go right.
LSU is no rebuild. For the right guy with the right mindset, it could be the perfect path to becoming the next big time household name head coach. Saban saw it that way before any of us did. I certainly think some established guys who want to compete in the SEC will take a long, hard look.
Also, for the advantages that LSU has, it is in the toughest division in all of college football. That doesn't show any sign of changing soon. If anything, it will just get wilder when Saban finally hangs it up. Any potential candidate is going to ask themselves, "Do I really want to go through that gauntlet every year, when there are easier paths to a playoff birth?" Coaches are known for their egos, but a guy in a great spot where he's happy may not want to uproot to take on our schedule every year.
All that said, if we do replace Miles, it will be a very attractive opening. A new guy would have an opportunity to take over a roster that isn't perfect, but is certainly better than in the case of most coach firings. Take a look at VA Tech, USCe, and Mizzou. Which roster would you want to coach out of the gate?
A top recruiter will also salivate at the prospect of holding down as much of this great class as possible. There is potential for a Malzahn-like year 1, if things go right.
LSU is no rebuild. For the right guy with the right mindset, it could be the perfect path to becoming the next big time household name head coach. Saban saw it that way before any of us did. I certainly think some established guys who want to compete in the SEC will take a long, hard look.
This post was edited on 11/22/15 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 11/22/15 at 1:03 pm to Hiyoka
No it won't be...
Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:30 pm to Hiyoka
The question is: can you risk becoming a Miami or Tennessee? Neither of them thought they would wander in the wilderness for years when they got rid of their coach for not winning MNCs.
Get Les a hot young OC and tell him to stay the hell out of the way would be a better plan. Let the wunderkind bring in the hot QBs, and get rid of the predictable and boring offense. Les is a recruiting beast. The rest can be accomplished with assistants.
Get Les a hot young OC and tell him to stay the hell out of the way would be a better plan. Let the wunderkind bring in the hot QBs, and get rid of the predictable and boring offense. Les is a recruiting beast. The rest can be accomplished with assistants.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:39 pm to gatorubet
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Get Les a hot young OC and tell him to stay the hell out of the way would be a better plan. Let the wunderkind bring in the hot QBs, and get rid of the predictable and boring offense. Les is a recruiting beast. The rest can be accomplished with assistants.
Man, you people are thick
Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:42 pm to TigerCliff777
No.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:48 pm to ikoikoiko
Our fanbase is a negative, not a positive
Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:49 pm to Hiyoka
Nope
Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:57 pm to Hiyoka
Texas and Michigan are much better jobs than LSU and they just changed coaches.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 3:06 pm to WalkingTurtles
Dude looks like Gary Busey's son!
Posted on 11/22/15 at 3:10 pm to LSUTANGERINE
usc is an overall better job than lsu, but in the current situation it's hard say which one is better right now.
roster, i'd call it usc in a close one. better returning qbs and lbers for sure. i think marginally better returning talent overall.
facilities, gameday atmosphere, fan support. i'll go with lsu.
recruiting ground - draw. lsu also gets a lot of talent from texas all the way across the south to florida. sc has cali and recruits well nationally.
schedule and path to the playoffs - sc with a good coach would march through the pac like moses through the red sea.
it's a tough one between the two.
i guess i'd go with sc by a small margin.
roster, i'd call it usc in a close one. better returning qbs and lbers for sure. i think marginally better returning talent overall.
facilities, gameday atmosphere, fan support. i'll go with lsu.
recruiting ground - draw. lsu also gets a lot of talent from texas all the way across the south to florida. sc has cali and recruits well nationally.
schedule and path to the playoffs - sc with a good coach would march through the pac like moses through the red sea.
it's a tough one between the two.
i guess i'd go with sc by a small margin.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 3:13 pm to TigerFred
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Committed fan base
Until the first time the team gives up a touchdown or has to punt or the kick doesn't go out the back of the end zone. The fans start bailing out faster than rats on a sinking ship. We have the worst fan base in the country. The above listed reasons is why Tiger Stadium atmosphere is no longer the same.
Sadly, this is so true.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 4:06 pm to Gris Gris
I don't think LSU football is at any risk of returning to the Hallman days should it part company with Miles.
Any coach with a lick of personality should be able to recruit for LSU. LSU sits in the middle of the most fertile football recruiting region in the country. It has some of the nicest football facilities in the country including a first rate stadium that would be the envy of a lot of pro teams. LSU plays on TV almost every weekend in the best football conference in the country. Finally, most student athletes can meet the admission standards.
LSU also pays its assistants like some schools pay head coaches. A head coach at LSU should have no problem obtaining quality assistants.
I would argue that any average major college football coach could regularly win 8 or 9 games a year at LSU. Given the schedule and the athletes at LSU's disposal, that many wins is a foregone conclusion. LSU probably loses nothing by trying to find a coach who can win 12 or 13 games. If they miss, it will look much like the last 3 or 4 seasons - not like the 90's.
Any coach with a lick of personality should be able to recruit for LSU. LSU sits in the middle of the most fertile football recruiting region in the country. It has some of the nicest football facilities in the country including a first rate stadium that would be the envy of a lot of pro teams. LSU plays on TV almost every weekend in the best football conference in the country. Finally, most student athletes can meet the admission standards.
LSU also pays its assistants like some schools pay head coaches. A head coach at LSU should have no problem obtaining quality assistants.
I would argue that any average major college football coach could regularly win 8 or 9 games a year at LSU. Given the schedule and the athletes at LSU's disposal, that many wins is a foregone conclusion. LSU probably loses nothing by trying to find a coach who can win 12 or 13 games. If they miss, it will look much like the last 3 or 4 seasons - not like the 90's.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 5:42 pm to gatorubet
quote:The problem is I don't think you can do that with these long-tenured past-success coaches. Either they view themselves as the program, or when what worked X years ago doesn't now it's either the players failing to execute (which happens all the time) and/or assistants have failed to coach them up properly. It's like a general who fights the last war (or battle). Or like the generals in WWI who didn't account for the enemy adjusting (belt fed machine guns) and kept telling soldiers to run across barren muddy hole ridden ground with artillery landing on them up to the point they are in range of the MG's... then wonder why it didn't work. The answer they come up is "well, it worked against Napoleon, so it's not me, the troops are unmotivated, I'll court martial a couple and that'll fix the problem".
Get Les a hot young OC and tell him to stay the hell out of the way would be a better plan. Let the wunderkind bring in the hot QBs, and get rid of the predictable and boring offense. Les is a recruiting beast. The rest can be accomplished with assistants.
The list of these are long, just off the top of my head:
Parsigian
Holtz
Bowden
Majors
M. Brown
Schembechler
Hayes
Robinson, 2 of them (USC & Grambling)
Alvarez
Paterno
Exceptions: Saban (has repeated success), Ferentz (just now getting to ceiling), Meyer (left on his own at right time)
I'm probably missing a few on both lists. Again, just off top of my head.
All had to be forced out as a retiree, left until health caught up with them, or out right fired after a couple years of not being able to match past successes. Except for Woody and . He just went rockers
Posted on 11/22/15 at 5:45 pm to ikoikoiko
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Committed fan base
Fan base that need to be committed.
FIFY
Posted on 11/22/15 at 6:18 pm to LSUTANGERINE
quote:USC isn't even in the same room.
USC says hello
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 6:26 pm to BOZ4LSU
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Its going to get worse before it gets better.
What does this mean?
It's going to get worse than 3 straight blowout losses? LSU hasn't even done that since the 60's..
We lost 5 games a season ago.
We have won only 2 bowl games in 6 seasons.. Think about that.. It's going to get worse? We are struggling at times to put opponents away in wins..
I don't agree with it getting much worse.. if Miles can come in (he was barely a .500 avg coach) and maintain with this program.. I believe a coach who brings more to the table can be just as successful, if not more.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 6:27 pm to Mars duMorgue
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Hardly. In recent years Texas, USC, Ohio State, Miami, Auburn and other programs with great histories and reputations have been open. LSU is just another one of those, one of 20 or so marquee programs.
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Mars duMorgue
. . . . that explains a lot
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