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re: LSU vs UCF: Biggest bowl game in all of CFB the last few years
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:47 pm to UCFiesta
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:47 pm to UCFiesta
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Don't hide behind the numbers that some committee attributes to teams
so those rankings really mean nothing to you? How do you rank teams then what factors do you consider when ranking teams? quote:
The AAC's good teams are just as good as any P5's good teams
I'm sorry no. That's what you can't seem to understand. You're elite teams may be as good as a "good" P5 team, but there's a huge talent gap between the AAC elite and P5 elites.
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Is LSU an elite team this year or a good team.
Will this game feel like our game against a good Cincy team, or will you feel like our equal?
Depends on what LSU team shows up. Not going to make excuses for losing but LSU has a problem when it comes to playing down to opponents. Been like that for years here. If we lose then so be it. Not gonna make that an excuse. Just saying I can't answer because I have no clue which LSU team will show up.
I know it won't happen but a little humility would go a long way with your fans. What you guys have done is extremely good. In all seriousness it's impressive, but my issue is that you guys act like you deserve something you haven't earned.
I already said this in another thread but it was you or ucfknight that made a whole thread about how you don't get to play quality opponents because no one will schedule you. Ok. Fair enough. My problem is you act like playing LSU isn't worth your time. It's laughable. Yes LSU has some glaring holes in our offense. I get that, but LSU also played one of the hardest schedules in the country this year (LSU #3 and UCF #71). It would be a HUGE statement if you guys came out and won. Yet you guys seem uninspired. it's just delusional thinking and attitude. Your fans are acting like spoiled children.
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Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:51 pm to BayouCowboy
I have seen plenty of polls in our paper out west that say our game is the #1 game to watch other than the matchups for the top 4. This is the closest LSU has ever come to CA for a bowl game so we're headed to Glendale for the game! 
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:05 pm to PortHudsonPlaya
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I can’t remember the last time LSU actually showed up for a game where not a whole lot was on the line. I’m not sure why this has been an issue with the Tigers, but they seem to under perform in games like this. With that said, I see them coming out flat as a pancake.
Oh really? The Miami game wasn’t hyped? Auburn on the road? Georgia?
This damn board is full of retarted group think.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:23 pm to LSUAce007
LSU vs UCF: Biggest bowl game in all of CFB the last few years ??? Really ?? 
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:28 pm to BayouCowboy
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Whether you agree or not, this is the narrative that's floating around the sports shows
LSU, forever the media’s scapegoat to instigate change.
Split the 03 title to take down the BCS.
Didn’t quite work, so screw us out of the 11 NC by granting a conference rival a Rematch forcing the other conferences into the playoff to avoid total SEC domination.
Now use us for expansion. Build up UCF, then let the refs make sure they are validated with a win.
fricking swell.
But YAY for progress
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:56 pm to Tiger Tracker
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I'm sorry no. That's what you can't seem to understand. You're elite teams may be as good as a "good" P5 team, but there's a huge talent gap between the AAC elite and P5 elites.
This is where your perception is off. I grew up the son of a former Buckeye, and UCLA coach, and played baseball, basketball, football for 15 years. I know how to recognize talent, and this gap that you perceive to be so MONSTROUS, is fictitious. You act like P5 schools scoop up all the talented players and leave nothing for anybody else. Let me tell you, Florida alone is loaded with talent.
You let the number of stars next to a players name dictate their worth. That's just some random identifying number that "some dude" decided was appropriate for that player. Says nothing for how coachable they are, how they might play in your scheme, how intelligent they are, how much of a team player they are, will they quit when faced with adversity, etc.
A great coach can take any good, motivated player, and make them great. The right staff can identify how to use the players you have to win games. Far too often, P5 teams coast on their "talent" alone. You get a couple of hotshots that can make any decent coach look good....for a bit.
The Saban's of the world are rare. Is your coach great, or are you getting by on talent alone? Could your coaching staff come to UCF, with our players and schedule, and win 25 straight?
Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:13 pm to UCFiesta
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You act like P5 schools scoop up all the talented players and leave nothing for anybody else. Let me tell you, Florida alone is loaded with talent.
I'm not saying you have zero talent, but you saying "talent" like it's equal is also incorrect. How many players from UCF have gone on to be NFL starters compared to the elite p5 schools? The talent is not equal. If you think it is then you're basically saying every college recruiter and NFL scout have zero ability to pick elite talent. The P5 schools scoop up the most talented players at nearly every position. Will UCF sometimes get a talented guy and coach him up? Sure, but the talent of UCF or Memphis or whomever is not equal overall.
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You let the number of stars next to a players name dictate their worth. That's just some random identifying number that "some dude" decided was appropriate for that player.
you serious? So every talent scout is just wrong and their job is pointless? quote:
Says nothing for how coachable they are, how they might play in your scheme, how intelligent they are, how much of a team player they are, will they quit when faced with adversity, etc.
Of course not but do you think UCF is the only football team with coaches grading these kids on the metrics you mentioned above?
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Far too often, P5 teams coast on their "talent" alone.
If you make the argument that coaches are coasting on talent then you're essentially agreeing they have more talented players. Players that have higher star ratings perhaps?
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Is your coach great, or are you getting by on talent alone?
He's meh. Still waiting to see how it all shakes out. Wasn't excited about the hire, but we will see if he can fix our offense next year.
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Could your coaching staff come to UCF, with our players and schedule, and win 25 straight?
I honestly don't think so. Maybe with Aranda but our offense is just not good right now. Our DC could probably keep all games close like he does for us but I don't know how and Ensminger offense would work at a school like UCF.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:39 pm to BayouCowboy
This is ridiculous.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:25 pm to Tiger Tracker
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I'm not saying you have zero talent, but you saying "talent" like it's equal is also incorrect.
To clear things up, I'm not saying the talent level is equal. I'm saying that the level of difference is not as great as many here would think. It's definitely not the David/Goliath that is the perception. At the end of the day, these are all just 18-23 year old human beings. Not super heroes.
With the right coaching and scheme, talent level becomes less and less important. That's why some coaches will be successful wherever they go, while others just lucked out at their dream job, and the brand name does the work for them. Until a few years go by, and they hit a spot where they don't have a Heisman worthy QB carrying the team, and they get exposed for not being good after all.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:40 pm to UCFiesta
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At the end of the day, these are all just 18-23 year old human beings. Not super heroes
Right, but the guys with extraordinary natural talent such as speed, strength, agility, etc typically end up at a P5 school and those innate abilities are meaningful enough to make a large impact on the talent gap between a team like UFC and top P5 schools. If the talent gap was close then you would see just as many UCF guys going to the NFL year in and year out as you do Bama, Clemson, LSU, etc.
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With the right coaching and scheme, talent level becomes less and less important. That's why some coaches will be successful wherever they go, while others just lucked out at their dream job, and the brand name does the work for them.
Agreed, but just not to the extent you're claiming here.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:45 pm to PortHudsonPlaya
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can’t remember the last time LSU actually showed up for a game where not a whole lot was on the line. I’m not sure why this has been an issue with the Tigers, but they seem to under perform in games like this.
LSU does show up. Just not been good teams. Can’t get upset when the offense looks as shitty in the bowl as it did all year.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:56 pm to Tiger Tracker
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If the talent gap was close then you would see just as many UCF guys going to the NFL year in and year out as you do Bama, Clemson, LSU, etc.
I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. Last year, UCF had 4 players get drafted to the NFL, and I think 2 more earned spots later.
Of course the NFL is going to want the best of the best, with whom they think will work for their system. But I'm sure you would agree there's tons of guys that just missed getting drafted that are equally as talented, or maybe just a smidge under. Doesn't mean they aren't still fantastic players. Our starting QB wasn't getting looked at by ANYBODY. But Scott Frost has an eye for talent, and knew he could coach that kid and build a system around him. It's not truth we often speak, but coaching matters more than the players on the field. We might just have lucked out and got another great coach, although, I'm not completely convinced that he's the offensive mastermind that Frost was. That guy was playing chess while everyone else was playing checkers.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:05 am to BayouCowboy
The game is in Glendale, not Tempe. Glendale is 20 miles to the west. Just sayin'.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:09 am to UCFiesta
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UCFiesta
I'm just glad we had a civil conversation about it. I look forward to watching the talent gap at LSU kick UCF's coached up arse.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:22 am to Tiger Tracker
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I'm just glad we had a civil conversation about it. I look forward to watching the talent gap at LSU kick UCF's coached up arse.
Here's to a good game, and hoping we show you the little guy isn't so little!
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:49 am to BayouCowboy
LSU needs to show up motivated for this game and just absolutely wreck shop. This is potentially a momentum builder going into next season.
UCF is riding that big winning streak. We just got screwed out of our season ender by refs. This game is being hyped to high Heaven by the media goons. This is a great opportunity for LSU to come out and absolutely wipe the walls with UCF and start 2019 off right for the good guys.
There's no reason LSU should show up flat for this game... And that's exactly why I'm afraid they might do just that. It's no Michigan matchup, but this is a NY6 bowl and a legitimate opportunity for both teams. LSU has much more to lose in defeat.
UCF is riding that big winning streak. We just got screwed out of our season ender by refs. This game is being hyped to high Heaven by the media goons. This is a great opportunity for LSU to come out and absolutely wipe the walls with UCF and start 2019 off right for the good guys.
There's no reason LSU should show up flat for this game... And that's exactly why I'm afraid they might do just that. It's no Michigan matchup, but this is a NY6 bowl and a legitimate opportunity for both teams. LSU has much more to lose in defeat.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 4:25 am to UCFiesta
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This is where your perception is off. I grew up the son of a former Buckeye, and UCLA coach, and played baseball, basketball, football for 15 years. I know how to recognize talent
Is this supposed to impress me?????
Posted on 12/14/18 at 8:53 am to Dlab2013
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Oh really? The Miami game wasn’t hyped? Auburn on the road? Georgia?
This damn board is full of retarted group think.
5 loss Miami, 5 loss Auburn? I wouldn’t hang my hat on those two teams.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 10:38 am to LNCHBOX
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Meh, elite teams overcome QB issues
It's funny to see this comment on an LSU board
Posted on 12/14/18 at 11:14 am to BayouCowboy
I know I'll be embarrassed if we lose.
This team has to take this game seriously.
This team has to take this game seriously.
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