- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
LSU NIT hopes
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:53 am
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:53 am
Just wanted to show all the metrics and our chances to get into the NIT, which would be a great way to end this year.
The top two NET rankings teams that don't make the NCAAT from the SEC will recieve auto bids to the NIT.
Right now bracketology has MSU in the tournament, A&M as the first team out, and Ole Piss (90) and LSU (93) as the next two NET ranked teams.
MSU has lost 4 in a row.
MSU has a NET ranking of 41, 4-8 vs Q1, 2-3 vs Q2, one bad Q4 loss to Southern
They have a BPI of 35, SOS of 40 and OOC SOS of 160
Their resume should have them in, but losing 5 in a row to end the season is not a good look at all. Beating Tenn and Auburn looks really good though, as well as Wash St and Northwestern on a neutral court. Doesn't help that they lost to A&M and finished 8-10 in conference while A&M is 9-9.
A&M has a NET of 47, 5-6 agasint Q1, 6-3 against Q2, and a bad 2-4 against Q3. Losses at home to LSU, Ole Piss and Ar-Kansas, and on the road at Vandy are the 4 Q3 losses.
They have a BPI of 37, SOS of 18 and OOC SOS of 13.
That OOC SOS is why they are going to make the tourney. The committee always typically rewards teams for playing a tough OOC schedule.
They beat Iowa State on a neutral court, lost to Houston, FAU, Virginia, Memphis.
They have wins against Kentucky and Tennessee.
I think they've already done enough to get in. I think they should be in over MSU, but they can't lose to Ole Piss.
IF they both get in than LSU is in the NIT easily.
Right now LSU's net is 93, Ole Piss is 90.
The next closest SEC school is UGA at 101, who is unlikely to pass us up.
I think a win over MSU might keep them out the tourney, but will have us pass up Ole Piss if they lose to A&M, and A&M will be in the tourney. Us playing Tenn and losing will still make our NET go up by a point or two more than likely, and beating MSU on a neutral court is a Q1 win.
The top two NET rankings teams that don't make the NCAAT from the SEC will recieve auto bids to the NIT.
Right now bracketology has MSU in the tournament, A&M as the first team out, and Ole Piss (90) and LSU (93) as the next two NET ranked teams.
MSU has lost 4 in a row.
MSU has a NET ranking of 41, 4-8 vs Q1, 2-3 vs Q2, one bad Q4 loss to Southern
They have a BPI of 35, SOS of 40 and OOC SOS of 160
Their resume should have them in, but losing 5 in a row to end the season is not a good look at all. Beating Tenn and Auburn looks really good though, as well as Wash St and Northwestern on a neutral court. Doesn't help that they lost to A&M and finished 8-10 in conference while A&M is 9-9.
A&M has a NET of 47, 5-6 agasint Q1, 6-3 against Q2, and a bad 2-4 against Q3. Losses at home to LSU, Ole Piss and Ar-Kansas, and on the road at Vandy are the 4 Q3 losses.
They have a BPI of 37, SOS of 18 and OOC SOS of 13.
That OOC SOS is why they are going to make the tourney. The committee always typically rewards teams for playing a tough OOC schedule.
They beat Iowa State on a neutral court, lost to Houston, FAU, Virginia, Memphis.
They have wins against Kentucky and Tennessee.
I think they've already done enough to get in. I think they should be in over MSU, but they can't lose to Ole Piss.
IF they both get in than LSU is in the NIT easily.
Right now LSU's net is 93, Ole Piss is 90.
The next closest SEC school is UGA at 101, who is unlikely to pass us up.
I think a win over MSU might keep them out the tourney, but will have us pass up Ole Piss if they lose to A&M, and A&M will be in the tourney. Us playing Tenn and losing will still make our NET go up by a point or two more than likely, and beating MSU on a neutral court is a Q1 win.
21
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:56 am to TeddyPadillac
I think LSU beats Miss. State, they make the NIT. If they lose, they're out. LSU would pass UM in this scenario as well unless they win two games themselves in the SEC.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:58 am to TeddyPadillac
Screw that we winning the whole thing and dancing
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:58 am to TeddyPadillac
LSU does not matchup well with Mississippi State. They have trouble with quicker teams and Mississippi State is quicker.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:59 am to TeddyPadillac
What’s a NET?
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:01 am to GumboPot
Thanks, great summary, but CAN they take more than 2 SEC teams? If no, would LSU consider playing in one of the "lesser" trnys?
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:01 am to rpg37
Wonder what would happen if LSU and UM lose because if their NET drops below us we would get an auto bid to the NIT - assuming State makes the NCAA tournament.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:05 am to secfballfan
quote:You have to pay to enter the CBI. That’s a complete nonstarter.
would LSU consider playing in one of the "lesser" trnys?
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:05 am to drizztiger
quote:
What’s a NET?
NCAA Men's Basketball Net Rankings
Net Rankings Explained
This post was edited on 3/13/24 at 11:07 am
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:05 am to TeddyPadillac
So LSU has no shot at the NIT as an at large?
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:06 am to YeauxTigers
I was joking man. Thanks though. Just goofing around a bit.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:07 am to YeauxTigers
Can we suit up Antonio Hudson and move the tourney to the GA Dome
That guy could really shoot the three in that building
LSU would be a lock to win sec tourney
That guy could really shoot the three in that building
LSU would be a lock to win sec tourney
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:07 am to drizztiger
I figured you knew but just in case, ha.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:08 am to TeddyPadillac
Tim Floyd once said back when he was at UNO that he didn't want to hear the letters NIT as long as there was still a chance to make the NCAA Tournament.
Of course, we know there's only one way that happens at this point (winning SEC Tourny), but just food for thought.
Of course, we know there's only one way that happens at this point (winning SEC Tourny), but just food for thought.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:11 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:
I think a win over MSU might keep them out the tourney,
I disagree. Every season we get to the conference tournaments and have a discussion about how important they are. And every year the committee shows you they aren't. Both for invitation and seeding purpose. Equally as unimportant is how a team finishes the season. That used to matter (see 2002 LSU). It doesn't any more and hasn't for a while.
If Mississippi State is in the NCAA Tournament (and I think they are) they are in RIGHT NOW...and the outcome of tomorrow's game won't effect that. Conversely, if they are "out" right now, they will be out on Sunday (unless they win the SECT)
quote:
but will have us pass up Ole Piss if they lose to A&M,
If LSU wins a close game and Ole Miss loses a close game it still might not be enough to push LSU over OM in the NET. Largely because Mississippi St and A&M are close together in the NET rankings. I think to be certain for LSU to pass Ole Miss, LSU needs a solid performance with a win coupled with a poor performance by OM in a loss.
quote:
and A&M will be in the tourney.
It's always an exercise in splitting hairs at the end, but I think A&M's 8-8 record away from home and 5 Q1 wins will just sneak them in ahead of other teams in that "Last 4 in" group...which would likely make LSU's game tomorrow irrelevant for NIT purposes because LSU would get one of the two "auto bids" along with Ole Miss.
quote:
Us playing Tenn and losing will still make our NET go up by a point or two more than likely
Not if LSU get's destroyed. The predictive metrics (KenPom, KPI, BPI, etc) factor into the NET. An arse kicking, even by a team as good as Tennessee, will drop LSU's predictive data numbers.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:14 am to bstaceyau19
If my memory serves correctly, we’ve only won the SECT once. In 1980.
Therefore, we’re due.
ETA: I got downvoted immediately by saying a fact. Lol.
Therefore, we’re due.
ETA: I got downvoted immediately by saying a fact. Lol.
This post was edited on 3/13/24 at 11:20 am
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:31 am to TeddyPadillac
I think Lsu is out unless they win 2. The SEC probably isn't getting 8 teams in and Lsu's NET has been slowly sinking even after beating Missouri. It's hard to make NET moves this time of year, so Ole Miss probably holds on even in the scenario where Lsu wins and Ole Miss loses their 1st games.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:48 am to rds dc
quote:
I think Lsu is out unless they win 2. The SEC probably isn't getting 8 teams in
In:
Tenn
Alabama
Auburn
Kentucky
Florida
South Carolina
Bubble:
Mississippi St.
A&M
I think Mississippi St's two non-conf wins over Tournament teams Washington St and Northwestern, and their 6-0 record in neutral site games is just enough to get them in.
A&M is close. There are many reasons why they shouldn't be in. But they have wins over Iowa St, Kentucky, Florida, Tennessee, and Miss. St. That, along with a .500 record away from home, might be just enough to separate them from the pack of bubble teams. The ACC and Pac-12 have been garbage overall and the Big East is top heavy. That might be enough to open the door for an 8th SEC team.
If A&M and Miss. St get in, LSU's NET rating compared to Ole Miss is largely irrelevant because they would be one of the 2 highest NET teams that didn't make the NCAAT (unless Arkansas and/or Georgia go on a tear this week)
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:55 am to Alt26
quote:
I think a win over MSU might keep them out the tourney,
I disagree. Every season we get to the conference tournaments and have a discussion about how important they are. And every year the committee shows you they aren't. Both for invitation and seeding purpose. Equally as unimportant is how a team finishes the season. That used to matter (see 2002 LSU). It doesn't any more and hasn't for a while.
If Mississippi State is in the NCAA Tournament (and I think they are) they are in RIGHT NOW...and the outcome of tomorrow's game won't effect that. Conversely, if they are "out" right now, they will be out on Sunday (unless they win the SECT)
This is good discussion- I can't say I feel strongly about this, but I would say that if Miss State right now is truly a "last 4 byes team", like BracketMatrix and Lunardi have them...It would be a pretty precipitous drop to go all the way out of the tourney. I think a reasonable compromise by the committee when looking at State's late season dropoff vs full season metrics would be to put them in the tournament but punish them by sending them to Dayton to play one of the 11 seed play-in games.
To the poster asking about LSU making the NIT as an unseeded team, or basically the equivalent of an at-large bid- we don't really know. This is the first year that the NIT is using this new 2 teams per conference deal, and we're not sure how they'll evaluate the other power conference teams vs smaller conference regular season winners.
Here is site with probabilities and NIT bracketology that has us projected in with a home game- I think they have both A&M and State currently in the field:
LINK
This one is just NIT bracketology, but does have LSU in as an unseeded team- basically an NIT at-large:
LINK
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:58 am to TeddyPadillac
Thanks for the analysis but yeah, just to keep it concise, I think if we beat Mississippi State, we are NIT bound.
Personally, I do not want to see us in one of those shite tournaments that selects after the NIT. I prefer we just turn down the bid.
Personally, I do not want to see us in one of those shite tournaments that selects after the NIT. I prefer we just turn down the bid.
Page 1 of 6
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News