re: LSU: most fb wins in the greatest ever conference-decade ever

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My biggest issue with those that have perpetually complaining about Miles is that they have been wrong nearly the entire time they have been complaining.

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they haven't even been subjectively wrong. They have been mathematically wrong.

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These guys are like the religious kooks who claim the end of the world is imminent, only to have to go back to the drawing board and recalibrate when the day comes and goes and the world is still here.

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And they have the nerve to call us religious kooks. I posted numbers in this thread and was called a religious fanatic.

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My leash with Miles and this staff is not infinite.

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The most obvious fact that none of them will admit is that no one has an infinite leash for Les. Not a single person.

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If you've wanted the guy fired since TENN 2005 and have been vocal about it since then, who fricking cares what you think today? You've been wrong the entire time...you can't be taken seriously now.

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Your post is what I like to call a highlight reel. Well done.

The Rantard Fact Files:
1)Miles is Goofy and talks funny
2)Miles teams win in spite of him because of their talent level
3)Miles runs the offense every time they are ineffective, but gives up control every time they are productive
4) Apparently , Miles only knows 1 offensive formation and about 3 different plays to run out of it.
5)Miles favors seniors, except when he plays freshman. Then he doesn't play them correctly or put them in a position to succeed.
6)Miles ALWAYS takes his "foot off the gas" when LSU is in a close game and could easily score many more times if he wanted to.
7)I have invested too much emotion,time and booze into watching football on Saturday to be disrespected by a football coach who can't win every game convincingly, and in a fashion that I deem acceptable. I get angry,scared and lonely when LSU loses. (OK ,maybe that one is just my opinion on their mental state)

i can play this also

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The Rantard Fact Files:

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1. Players don't execute
2. coaches don't block
3. coaches don't tackle
4. look at his record
5. he is bad at clock management? oh but see #4
6. he is a great man
7. players coach
8. when he leaves i hope lsu sucks and proves all of yall wrong...well that doesn't sound like sunshine pumping to me...must be fans of the coach and not the university

you rantards prefer to call out 18-22 yr olds...we would rather call out highly paid coaches

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they haven't even been subjectively wrong. They have been mathematically wrong.

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Because it's never been about the scores at the end of games. This is made clear anytime someone trots out the "wins ugly" and "it's not how they lost" bullshite arguments. It begs the response, "So...as a fan would you prefer your team to win all it's games by one point in an ugly fashion and be champs, or lose all its games is spectacular fashion?"

What matters most, and always does, is which team has the most points at the end of games. Many of the initial criticisms of Miles that linger to this day were never about the record, but about how we got to it. As such, someone like you rolling out stats is meaningless to them...because they are arguing feelings.

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The most obvious fact that none of them will admit is that no one has an infinite leash for Les. Not a single person.

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As with some many augments on the internet, it's far easier to argue with a made up opponent than an actual one. No one is suggesting Miles is the sole reason for the program's success or that he and his staff have a lifetime guarantee to remain employed regardless of their success on the field. The difference is some us have an actual leash, and others have had their hands at the man's throat since day one. While we have some slack, they immediately tense and grab his throat anytime there is a hint of an issue. Ironically, Saban called this behavior out as "Catastrophe syndrome." When he said it, our fans mostly listened and shut their fricking mouths...while he lost less then three games only once in his 5 seasons here.

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Your post is what I like to call a highlight reel. Well done.

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In all honesty...this isn't about some undying love I have for Les Miles. True, I do like the guy...but this is more to do with having hated the way the guys has been treated by a portion of our fan base since day one and he's never deserved that.

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My initial criticism of them was that prior to his LSU career, his biggest coaching victory was a Houston bowl win over Southern Mississippi. I hated the hire. But, ten years of results just don't support that kind of criticism.

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Intellectual honesty...you'll be lonely on this forum.

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There are people who depend on LSU football to make them happy, and therefore, they are very unhappy.

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See how often you see posters refer to a loss as "embarrassing." To whom? The poster? Where the frick do them come in that a loss by a team comprised of young men who chose to attend the same university they self associate with embarrasses them? This kind fo shite only happens to people who feel the need to walk around chest puffed out when these same young men win a game they had no hand in winning, and then made to pay for this stupidity by other nimrods who shove losses in their faces.

I love LSU football and have since I attended my first game in 1982 as a 12 year old. But I'm not a coach, and I'm not a player. While I wish they team would win, I get no special satisfaction for myself in comparison to others if they do...and therefore I feel no sense of personal embarrassment if they lose. Other than helping to pay the bills, I have no hand in the process and have no reason to behave as anything other than the outsider I am to wins/losses.

I wasn't calling out anyone. My tongue-in-cheek list was quite sarcastic, but I have seen many posters on here use similar quotes and call them "facts". Statistics and records are facts. They can be interpreted different ways , but are still facts.
I have been an LSU fan for over 40 years (fact). I have been disappointed, elated , embarrassed, and extremely proud of the teams over the years at different times. As I've gotten a little older I've learned to temper those bad emotions and look at things a lot more objectively.
Am I happy about Saturday? hell no. Do I think the rest of the year looks questionable? Very much so. however, the facts of Miles record and history so far give me hope that the ship can be righted.If it doesn't play out that way, then he should go.
I am critical of the team and coaches at times, but I also realize that they know MUCH more than I do about running a football program and are privy to MUCH more information about the team than I will ever have. Therfore, I take the FACTS that I have and choose to stay positive until the FACTS warrant a change,

ballscaster;dr;dv

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That is a fact that can easily be proved with numbers,

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Then why didn't you include them?

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LSU won a national title in 1958. That's got about as much to do with 2014 as Jamarcus Russell and Dwayne Bowe.

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Your post has about as much do to with my post as minced garlic.

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You are spouting off a 10 year record for Les Miles. Outstanding. What does that have to do with 2014? Miles winning games with Jamarcus Russell and Dwayne Bowe doesn't mean a hill of beans in 2014. We need a coach that can win games with the talent that he has recruited in the last 4 years.