- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: LSU MBB Basketball Talk (in general) with Philips/Miller out (and others) - Wright/Cook in
Posted on 4/8/23 at 10:51 am to JWill409
Posted on 4/8/23 at 10:51 am to JWill409
quote:
So if we snag Baker(A top 30 player in 2019 from Texas) and Amaree Abrams( Top 150 in 2022 player from Texas), that wouldn’t be good enough?
Understand what you're saying, but when you've been in college a couple of years it no longer matters a lick how you were rated in high school.
Baker and Abram would be guys we could expect to start. That said, Baker is a 7-footer who's yet to show much in the way of defense or rebounding (though yeah, he can shoot), and Abram was only a middling scorer on a pretty bad Ole Miss team this year (I wouldn't be surprised if he broke out as a sophomore, though).
They're good pickups. I don't think you can look at either one as guys who turn your program around like Tremont Waters or Naz Reid.
2
Posted on 4/8/23 at 12:32 pm to ellessuuuu
quote:He was buying players in the most reckless manner possible. It is why the program was zeroed out and he was fired. Further, he never recruited under an NOA, just the rumors of an investigation.
That’s not how this works, that’s not how any of this works.
In the days of NIL and the transfer portal, nobody gets 3-4 years to figure it out. The NCAA investigation has very little impact on recruiting, especially in the portal.
Hell, Wade signed solid classes and got really good talent from the portal while the investigation and allegations were pending. Also, he kept us competing at the top of the league and had us in the tournament. Does that mean he was just that much better than MM?
quote:Did I say otherwise? And end of summer, while you can say that it is "well before" the November signing period, does not leave a lot of time to make up ground in recruiting. Half of the class will be committed or have us outside of their top x by the time the board decides.
This also shows how little you know about the process. Once the IARP releases its decision, it’s final with no appeal. Will likely be released well before the fall early signing period.
Maybe if you can wipe your tears away your reading will improve.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 12:51 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
He was buying players in the most reckless manner possible. It is why the program was zeroed out and he was fired. Further, he never recruited under an NOA, just the rumors of an investigation.
Haha. And here’s how I know you have no clue what you’re talking about. He was doing exactly what every other major P5 coach does. Or better yet, he was doing the exact same thing other coaches on campus were doing (do you know how many players were on O’s direct payroll, more than Wade - go back and look at all the “injuries” that occurred when O’s termination was announced mid season that’s not a coincidence).
The difference for Wade is he was unlucky enough to be on the phone with someone being investigated by the FBI (still trying to figure what the crimes involved were and who the victims are of college kids getting a piece of the money they generate). Once that happened the NCAA was going after him in every way possible, mainly through the media and an NOA filled with allegations the NCAA knew couldn’t be supported, hence the reason he won’t get a show cause despite all the allegations made against him.
The media made sure that Wade’s investigation was front and center every March and then again around signing day. Yet, he continued to land talent.
Also, MM can now hand out cash within the rules. If you have any insight into MM’s NIL philosophy, you’d know why we’re getting crushed in the portal and are pretty average in HS recruiting. That is the direct impact of how MM handles NIL, not looming sanctions. Arizona had a coach convicted and an NOA pending, and it didn’t keep them from thriving.
quote:
Did I say otherwise? And end of summer, while you can say that it is "well before" the November signing period, does not leave a lot of time to make up ground in recruiting. Half of the class will be committed or have us outside of their top x by the time the board decides.
First, you keep calling it an NCAA board - which it is not. That’s the first clear cut sign you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Next, August to November is an eternity in recruiting. Again, if you think sanctions impact recruiting that much, you’re stuck in 1998. Money is the biggest factor, and it’s not even close. Relationships are a distant second.
You also seem to lack an understanding as to the recruiting landscape. HS recruiting is important, but it’s not as important as it was 5 years ago. The portal is far more important today.
This post was edited on 4/8/23 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 4/8/23 at 1:11 pm to ellessuuuu
quote:Big difference: he got caught, was sloppy, and was overpaying.
Haha. And here’s how I know you have no clue what you’re talking about. He was doing exactly what every other major P5 coach does. Or better yet, he was doing the exact same thing other coaches on campus were doing (do you know how many players were on O’s direct payroll, more than Wade - go back and look at all the “injuries” that occurred when O’s termination was announced mid season that’s not a coincidence).
quote:Keep holding on to that hope. There is a reason McNeese is already suspending him and building elements of a show cause into his contract.
hence the reason he won’t get a show cause despite all the allegations made against him.
quote:Who authorizes it and what allegations do they act on??? Who comprises the leadership???
First, you keep calling it an NCAA board - which it is not. That’s the first clear cut sign you don’t know what you’re talking about
Posted on 4/8/23 at 1:12 pm to drizztiger
We should have more than 2 SEC wins next year.
If we get Baker and Abrams and some other pieces to round out our roster, we should be able to improve from next year.
That being said, two SEC wins is a really low bar. I think our ceiling will be NIT and our floor will be 2 wins.
With the pieces we have and the ones we're bringing in, going 2-16 in conference again is going to be unacceptable. These players aren't that bad. If it's another lackluster season, pull the plug on the McManiac era.
If we get Baker and Abrams and some other pieces to round out our roster, we should be able to improve from next year.
That being said, two SEC wins is a really low bar. I think our ceiling will be NIT and our floor will be 2 wins.
With the pieces we have and the ones we're bringing in, going 2-16 in conference again is going to be unacceptable. These players aren't that bad. If it's another lackluster season, pull the plug on the McManiac era.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 1:37 pm to ellessuuuu
quote:
If you have any insight into MM’s NIL philosophy, you’d know
give us some insight on it
Posted on 4/8/23 at 1:38 pm to urinetrouble
quote:
we really the need NCAA ruling on our case to be issued. It’s a lingering cloud that isn’t helping
At this point, they just have to no sell it. Tell recruits that it's been years and nothing has been done, it's likely nothing will be done and that increases with each passing day.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 1:43 pm to ellessuuuu
quote:
. If you have any insight into MM’s NIL philosophy, you’d know why we’re getting crushed in the portal and are pretty average in HS recruiting.
Care to elaborate?
Posted on 4/8/23 at 2:34 pm to Adajax
Equal pieces of pie…
Posted on 4/8/23 at 2:45 pm to jamarr
quote:
give us some insight on it
Don’t hold your breath. He’s the biggest Wade fan-boy here and absolutely hates McMahon. His screen name implies he’s an LSU fan but he’s really just a Wade fan, and likely either employed by or related to Wade.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 2:56 pm to Shaq4prez
quote:
Wtf do you expect? The #1 class? And they are not done
Adding more okay players isn’t going to improve the class
Posted on 4/8/23 at 2:58 pm to 1984Tiger
Yes, I hate the school I hold a degree from and held season tickets for in multiple sports for a long time. I forget, in order to love your school you’re not allowed to question decisions that result in 2-16 conference records…
I simply want LSU to meet its potential in basketball. Wade put us on a path to do that. I really wanted to see MM succeed, but I’ve seen nothing yet that gives me confidence he will.
I simply want LSU to meet its potential in basketball. Wade put us on a path to do that. I really wanted to see MM succeed, but I’ve seen nothing yet that gives me confidence he will.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 3:00 pm to ellessuuuu
quote:
Equal pieces of pie…
when you are done trying to talk like a vague puzzle, let us know what you are actually saying.
is it your contention that mcmahon equally distributes NIL cash to all players and doesnt pay the stars more, and this hurts recruiting?
This post was edited on 4/8/23 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 4/8/23 at 3:07 pm to jamarr
If you seriously need your hand held beyond that, not sure I can help you.
Yes, not paying top players top value is a problem in recruiting. Unless basketball has enough NIL money to pass around better than market to most of the team, we are putting ourselves in a hole on top talent.
Yes, not paying top players top value is a problem in recruiting. Unless basketball has enough NIL money to pass around better than market to most of the team, we are putting ourselves in a hole on top talent.
This post was edited on 4/8/23 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 4/8/23 at 3:11 pm to ellessuuuu
quote:
If you seriously need your hand held beyond that, not sure I can help you.
are we trying to insult each other with vague statements or can we say explicitly what our points are?
i ask again, is it your contention that mcmahons NIL payment procedures are atypical?
please dont reply with some vague "well the eagle that flies near the scarecrow drops the most gummis" or something, just discuss the actual situation. no need to be weirdly vague
Posted on 4/8/23 at 3:12 pm to ellessuuuu
quote:
Yes, not paying top players top value is a problem
and mcmahon does this? he pays the team and not players, and this is atypical?
Posted on 4/8/23 at 3:15 pm to jamarr
Pretty positive BK and the football team do this too. Out of the Bayou Traditions fund, or whatever it’s called, they distribute the money equally and guys are free to earn more money on their own.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 3:17 pm to ellessuuuu
quote:
simply want LSU to meet its potential in basketball. Wade put us on a path to do that. I really wanted to see MM succeed, but I’ve seen nothing yet that gives me confidence he will.
It was year 1 with as depleted of a roster as I've ever seen, and with a cloud of possible sanctions hanging over the program. I love Wade, and I wasn't really happy with the MM hire. His first season was a master class in awful, but I'm hoping for better in year 2. Hopefully significantly better. I'm going to try to stay positive about it, it's much easier than being a bitch about everything. If you can find something positive out of a negative, it's much easier to get through life.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 5:18 pm to ellessuuuu
quote:Please. I am sure most of us will appreciate the insight into NIL that a former multi-sport season ticket holder can provide. Personally I am interested in seeing where McMahon (or Kelly or Mulkey) directed the distribution of NIL funds as being spread equally or targeting specific athletes.
If you seriously need your hand held beyond that, not sure I can help you.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 8:44 pm to jamarr
Man, I hate it when posters like ellessuuee keep all their inside knowledge to themselves. 
Page 3 of 8
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News