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re: LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:59 am to Madking
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:59 am to Madking
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Yes you're right their resumes are better but take Ogeron out of the equation we are taking about during the hiring process so O wasn't the coach yet. Would you really choose one of those 2 to get us back on track?
Well, if you're giving me my choice, money is no object and availability is irrelevant, I'm hiring Bill Belichick or Nick Saban.
But, if I found in the hiring process that the best two candidates who would consider my job were Fedora and Wittingham, you're fricking damned right I choose them before I drop to O.
You choose the best candidate you can get. Not the best candidate you can dream up.
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Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:59 am to ShortyRob
quote:
That isn't my stance.
My stance in the thread has been very clear.
Both are true.
We have talent problems stemming from the prior regime.
AND
O was the wrong hire and is MAGNIFYING those problems and will likely continue to do so. And yes, that magnification starts with a 37-7 loss to MSU. .
i didnt say it was your stance. i responded to a different poster.
quote:
As loss was not completely unjustifiable. A 37-7 undisciplined mess was NOT
agreed. a hard fought loss with our youth is forgivable.
a loss where our team quit after halftime isnt. a loss where our hesd coach cant explain why our heisman candidate didnt get more carries isnt.
and for the record, I'm not calling for O to be fired. unless the wheels fall off he is here for atleast 2 years.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:02 am to ShortyRob
Not what I meant but ok.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:03 am to Rickdaddy4188
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and for the record, I'm not calling for O to be fired. unless the wheels fall off he is here for atleast 2 years.
Me either.
I mean, in my dreams, he's fired. But, that's just not reality or a realistic expectation.
Unfortunately, we're going to have to eat this dick.
Sadly, this is likely the beginning of a problem that could take 5-10 years to recover from.
Because the following are true.
1. We definitely have talent holes.
2. It's a real possibility that O is exactly who we think he is.
3. If 2 is true, our talent problems will get worse.
4. If O gets two years, that could mean a rough 2018 and 2019 batch of classes.
5. The next guy, even if his name was Nick Saban, would be inheriting a club not that dissimilar from the one Saban inherited at Bama.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:04 am to Nuts4LSU
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MSU is not a bottom dweller. They've been in a BCS/NY6 bowl more recently than we have, and have had about the same record as we have over the past three-plus years.
since 2011 they have finished ranked 1 time.
since 2011 they have 5 seasons of .500 play or worse
since 2011 they have finished above 2nd to last in the West 2 times(1 of them was 3rd to last.
its amazing the mental gymnastcis needed to say they arent a bottom dweller
quote:
They've been in a BCS/NY6 bowl more recently than we have
and then went 4-4 and then went 3-5.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 10:09 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:05 am to Madking
quote:Well I mean, what do you want?
Not what I meant but ok.
We can't discuss our HC opening last year as if it didn't occur within the reality it occurred.
The reason people bring up Fedora or Wittingham is simply to point out that hey, so what.......you can't get the top choices.......there were STILL viable choices that were LIGHT YEARS better than the one we made.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:06 am to ShortyRob
My point is there's not one of those three that should've been hired. We went with O because he'd keep Aranda recruits better than the other two and has a much wider range of contacts throughout the coaching community and can continuously hire good coordinators to sustain success.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 10:08 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:07 am to ShortyRob
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Because the following are true.
1. We definitely have talent holes.
2. It's a real possibility that O is exactly who we think he is.
3. If 2 is true, our talent problems will get worse.
4. If O gets two years, that could mean a rough 2018 and 2019 batch of classes.
5. The next guy, even if his name was Nick Saban, would be inheriting a club not that dissimilar from the one Saban inherited at Bama.
agree with everything here. we have holes in talent but not enough holes to get manhandled like we did Saturday.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:08 am to Madking
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My point is there's not one of those three that should've been hired.
ShortyRob's analogy still holds. When faced with three less than stellar alternatives, why pick the worst of the three? And then why engage in mental gymnastics trying to justify that choice?
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:09 am to ShortyRob
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The reason people bring up Fedora or Wittingham is simply to point out that hey, so what.......you can't get the top choices.......there were STILL viable choices that were LIGHT YEARS better than the one we made.
To add. I mean, let's say you hire Wittingham and he comes here and basically posts an overall record similar to what Miles did in his last 6 years. And, let's say he falls off a bit so, you feel the need to replace him too.
THAT is STILL not as bad as what CAN happen.
Some of you fricks need to listen to us old people. There are absolutely degrees of bad.
I didn't like Dinardo, but, he was STILL better than fricking Hallman.
And, even when you hire what "seems" a decent choice like Archer, look at the damage that can be done when that guy lays eggs then can't recruit.
Recovery can suck. It's the ONE thing Miles supporters would point to that was true. When you fire Miles, it's a risk. You HAVE to be smart with the follow on.
We weren't.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:10 am to Madking
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C'mon dude Fedora is a joke you know that. He's 1-2 against a cupcake schedule this year he's won more than 7 games only 5 times in 10 years. As far a whittingham he's a solid football coach but only 4 10 win seasons in 14 years as a head coach isn't exactly top level or second tier even. I'm not saying you're wrong for liking the guy but he's pretty much a Brady Hoke clone and that doesn't make an attractive candidate to me. My point is are these two guys really the types of coaches you think can get us back to where we want to be?
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Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:10 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:And O wasn't the worst of 3 alternatives.
ShortyRob's analogy still holds. When faced with three less than stellar alternatives, why pick the worst of the three? And then why engage in mental gymnastics trying to justify that choice?
If one could have ranked all coaches that LSU might have hired last year, you'd be lucky to place O 30th on that list.
And ya know what? If my choices are O or the #20 guy on that list, you hire #20.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:11 am to Mo Jeaux
Why get into a discussion when you have no intention of having an open conversation?
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:11 am to ShortyRob
quote:
And O wasn't the worst of 3 alternatives. If one could have ranked all coaches that LSU might have hired last year, you'd be lucky to place O 30th on that list. And ya know what? If my choices are O or the #20 guy on that list, you hire #20.
Truth.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:13 am to Madking
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Would you really choose one of those 2 to get us back on track?
Fedora probably not, more like Miles record since 2012 with a better offense. Whittingham I think could be an elite coach given the resources and talent base at LSU, but he is LDS graduated from BYU and has been at Utah since 1994 and is 57, so I don't think he would have left anyway.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:13 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:
And O wasn't the worst of 3 alternatives. If one could have ranked all coaches that LSU might have hired last year, you'd be lucky to place O 30th on that list. And ya know what? If my choices are O or the #20 guy on that list, you hire #20.
Truth.
And yes, you gnash your teeth that you were stuck with #20.
But hell, you still didn't do as bad as you could have.
Speaking of which.
Not to put too fine a point on it but if you ranked ALL of the available coaches LSU might have hired last year, O wasn't even #1 among the people currently AT frickING LSU!!!!
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:14 am to Lsutigerturner
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Holy shite that's the damn military no wonder his system worked this is bad arse where did you find this at?
It's been online for a few years now. I remember thinking the same thing when I first read it.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:19 am to Jcorye1
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This is my beef. The bar was lowered because people empathized with him (one of us!!) And now confirmation bias has taken full hold of the small amount of remaining believers. Eaux was in zero way qualified for this position.
O was hired because the other viable options were pretty shitty and we didn’t want to get in a bidding war with Texas over Herman.
So, yes, in part he was hired because he’s from Louisiana (or talks like us) and Riverboat Joe thought that he would bring more fan support/recruiting to the state and keep talent in, and would do whatever it took for the program to be successful, rather than a hired gun just looking out for himself or his next bigger payday.
We’re 3 games in, 2-1, and everyone is ready to jump ship. Not surprising, but I didn’t expect an 11-1 season. My expectations were around 8-4, which is probably about where we’ll end up.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:22 am to ShortyRob
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Not to put too fine a point on it but if you ranked ALL of the available coaches LSU might have hired last year, O wasn't even #1 among the people currently AT frickING LSU!!!!
yep. offer aranda before O. couldve tried to make him a lsu lifer.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:22 am to The Pirate King
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O was hired because the other viable options were pretty shitty and we didn’t want to get in a bidding war with Texas over Herman.
See my analogy regarding Rachel McAdams.
quote:Dumb
So, yes, in part he was hired because he’s from Louisiana (or talks like us)
quote:Dumb
Riverboat Joe thought that he would bring more fan support/recruiting to the state and keep talent in,
quote:I know that when I'm hiring, I always hire the guy desperate for a job that no one else wants. I wouldn't want one of those highly qualified people to do well for me and move up later.
and would do whatever it took for the program to be successful, rather than a hired gun just looking out for himself or his next bigger payday.
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