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re: LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:30 pm to ProjectP2294
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:30 pm to ProjectP2294
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I've wanted him as an LSU coach since we played WKU in 2011. Least intimidated team to come into Tiger Stadium that year.
I thought Rob Ambrose might get some play after embarrassing us with Towson in 2012.
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
I enjoy the atmosphere of campus on game day but it's getting harder when it culminates with uninspired football
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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uh, keeping Aranda has everything to do with "rebuild v. continuity"
Orgeron's strategy isn't to keep Aranda. He mentioned weeks ago in a press conference that Aranda is going to be a head coach very soon. The downsides of relying on elite coordinators are valid, but the effect hasn't been seen yet. It has NOTHING to do with what we saw on Saturday.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:30 pm to moneyg
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The elite coordinator argument is certainly one of them.
no that's the #2 reason to hate the O hire (behind him being an utterly terrible head coach)
that instability is a major issue, especially since the HC has no primary vision for the team and completely relies upon coordinators
again, this is a MAJOR reason why hiring O for a rebuild is incomprehensible. his entire phil-O-sophy is counteractive to a rebuild. it ONLY makes sense to tweak an established team with elite talent who just needs a couple pushes in teh right direction to become elite
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
SoFlowPro,touter of "Simple Solutions", exactly what is your simple solution besides firing Alleva? 
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:32 pm to LSUvet72
The simple solution time was last November or not giving the guy you gave a gift job to a buyout. This year should have been a prove it year if Alleva had any sense.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:32 pm to LSUvet72
tell people to not renew season tickets
LSU's athletic admin has to know that we won't pay top money for shite product. if they want to be lazy and stupid, we don' have to support them financially
LSU's athletic admin has to know that we won't pay top money for shite product. if they want to be lazy and stupid, we don' have to support them financially
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
What's so interesting to me is I think the majority of posters here would throw a fit if BDP was made interim then given the job with the same results. He's a big time recruiter and was better as a head coach. People just like Ed beyond reason.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the continuity argument is the only argument that makes the O decision somewhat logical
if that was a lie or O/Alleva are truly that stupid, then we are completely derailed as a major CFB program
There is no argument for the Orgeron hire looking good on paper. You don't have to set up the "continuity" straw man to knock it down. That's been a pretty strong consensus from the minute news broke of the hire.
Having said that, on paper and in reality can end up being different things. The hire is made. Orgeron has to be judged based on reasonable criticisms. What we saw on Saturday was reflective of existing program issues...not Ogeron's philosophy, or his gameday coaching.
Pretending that we don't have real personnel issues simply because someone (even Alleva) justified the hire in that way is ridiculous if you are trying to evaluate Orgeron's performance.
If you are trying to evaluate hiring decision itself, then you didn't even have to make that point. There is no justification for the way that the hiring process went down. It was a clear indication of a lack of competency by our AD.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:40 pm to moneyg
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What we saw on Saturday was reflective of existing program issues...not Ogeron's philosophy, or his gameday coaching.
So the weekly pregame fights and the penalty-fests are existing program issues?
Granted I don't watch every college football game, but I've never seen two players ejected for targeting in one game.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:40 pm to moneyg
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What we saw on Saturday was reflective of existing program issues.
Some of which transpired after 11/26/16
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not Ogeron's philosophy, or his gameday coaching.
State is not 30 points better than us due solely to the other program issues mentioned above.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think the middle got us Canada and Aranda plus a great recruiter in O. After, we lost the cream of the crop coaching hires I can see how our choice was as good as the field.
Not an O hire fan by the way.
Not an O hire fan by the way.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:55 pm to moneyg
quote:bullshite.
There is no argument for the Orgeron hire looking good on paper. You don't have to set up the "continuity" straw man to knock it down. That's been a pretty strong consensus from the minute news broke of the hire.
Having said that, on paper and in reality can end up being different things. The hire is made. Orgeron has to be judged based on reasonable criticisms. What we saw on Saturday was reflective of existing program issues...not Ogeron's philosophy, or his gameday coaching.
The team is not ready to play. I saw a play run where Chark, a returning starter and the most experienced WR, and the guy lined up outside him, had no idea the ball had even been snapped. The play was coming their way, Etling was under duress and had nobody to throw it to. It wasn't that they were covered, it was that they were still standing in their stances and looking at each other.
The team is not prepared, and they didn't have discipline on the field. Bitch if you want to about the targeting ejections, but that's not a new rule, and players need to be ready to stay in the rules.
Things like that reflect the overall program. They don't take their jobs seriously. You could be year 1 with Saban, and he would yank them off the field, chew arse and send them behind the bench. And he'd give the assistant coaches an earful too. O stood around like he didn't even notice.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
Is there anything this team can achieve to make you change your mind?
What realistically had to happen this year to improve this profram, regardless of the coach?
What realistically had to happen this year to improve this profram, regardless of the coach?
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:57 pm to Lester Earl
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Is there anything this team can achieve to make you change your mind?
creating a program built on a methodology and philosophy that will put our program on the best path to maximizing our chance of winning championships
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
Damn, dude, if I were half as dumb as you are, I'd seek mental help!
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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creating a program built on a methodology and philosophy that will put our program on the best path to maximizing our chance of winning championships
Well, that sounds like the mission statement of every football program.
I never liked the hire for several reasons,including what you have already stated , but he is most likely here for at least 2 years.
The situation Alleva created has dictated as much.
I'll just keep pulling for the Tigers and crying in my beer.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:06 pm to Tigertown
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Well, that sounds like the mission statement of every football program.
well it's not the mission statement of LSU football, currently
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but he is most likely here for at least 2 years.
i agree. just because we all expect failure doesn't mean we have to accept failure
the expectations can be lowered to teh point where many grade O on a curve, but i will never forget what LSU can be, if we hire the right coach
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:07 pm to Space Cowboy
You can't even construct a counter argument anymore, you simply throw names at people 
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
Looking for more specific things as you were never hesitant to criticize Miles in depth
Surely if you know coach O isn't the answer after 1 loss, you have an idea on exactly what needs to be done
Surely if you know coach O isn't the answer after 1 loss, you have an idea on exactly what needs to be done
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 1:17 pm
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