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re: LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:28 am to jcole4lsu
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:28 am to jcole4lsu
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WR: nobody with any catches/experience
If Davis Anderson Sullivan etc don't come on the rest of this year then worry. But Jr year is when WRs take the next step. Our WR should be markedly better next year,
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:30 am to Salmon
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LSU should not be getting blown out by barely top 25 teams.
If Miss state is 9-3, they will be much higher than bottom top 25.
I'm not saying that I'm OK with the result of the game, or that we should have lost. I'm simply saying that it's a tad premature to yell "FIRE COACH O, HE SUCKS, I WAS RIGHT!" After one game.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:36 am to SlowFlowPro
Hiring O made LSU a mid major.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:41 am to The Pirate King
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After one game.
he's miserably failed his 3 tests so far as coach
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:41 am to Freauxzen
This was a rebuild year for the Offense and Special Teams and I don't know how anyone can say otherwise. Yeah, we have a good RB but what else were we left with? We were down in those areas so not sure why anyone would think one year later plus new playbook and problems solved.
The answer doesn't have to be full house cleaning or totally consistent. I think hiring O kept us somewhere in the middle.
The answer doesn't have to be full house cleaning or totally consistent. I think hiring O kept us somewhere in the middle.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 11:43 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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i proved he was a bad hire before we lost a game. the results are just confirming it
Good to know that you being right is the most important thing. I didn't want coach O but he is who we have. There's literally no point in all of this bull shite. We lost. Get over it. He's still gonna be here and there's nothing anyone of us can do about it.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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quite positive after the chaos of LSU hiring O, i made a few threads saying "you better not say O needs time" in different ways
Only you care what you say. No one answers to you.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:45 am to lsu13lsu
quote:Just curious... how are you defining a "rebuild"? What does a coaching hire have to do with the incoming and outgoing flow of players that happen independently of coaching hires? Hiring and rebuilding are mutually exclusive.
LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:47 am to tiger25
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Good to know that you being right is the most important thing.
it's not important, but it is still reality
you can delude yourself living outside of reality but i'll be happy experiencing that actual world
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:48 am to lsu13lsu
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The answer doesn't have to be full house cleaning or totally consistent. I think hiring O kept us somewhere in the middle.
what benefit is "the middle"?
we seem to be in "the middle" with the worst of both sides hitting us
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:48 am to tigerpawl
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Hiring and rebuilding are mutually exclusive.
Except that we hired O because he would prevent a rebuild. So based on Alleva and Os own word, they are not mutually exclusive.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:49 am to SlowFlowPro
The scariest thing, for me, is that this year was going to be our best shot at doing anything in the near future.
As you said, this level of talent/personnel/coaching/etc. is not going to come together again in O's tenure.
Any head coach that has to rely on elite coordinators to function is not a head coach.
As soon as coordinators move on, continuity stalls, recruiting slips, and these things will snowball.
So, if I'm right about this, then the apex of the Orgeron era ended with a 30-point mercy kneeling in Starkville...in week 3.
The buyout and egos involved means that we will not pull the plug on this soon enough. After such rampant criticism of the hire, Alleva isn't going to eat crow only months later. He's going down with the ship.
The rest of the SEC is bad enough this year that I could see us winning 8 games and then blowing out some poor team from the ACC in the bowl game. That way we can all lie to ourselves about next year and get excited, even if we all know the truth.
As always, I hope I'm wrong. I really do.
As you said, this level of talent/personnel/coaching/etc. is not going to come together again in O's tenure.
Any head coach that has to rely on elite coordinators to function is not a head coach.
As soon as coordinators move on, continuity stalls, recruiting slips, and these things will snowball.
So, if I'm right about this, then the apex of the Orgeron era ended with a 30-point mercy kneeling in Starkville...in week 3.
The buyout and egos involved means that we will not pull the plug on this soon enough. After such rampant criticism of the hire, Alleva isn't going to eat crow only months later. He's going down with the ship.
The rest of the SEC is bad enough this year that I could see us winning 8 games and then blowing out some poor team from the ACC in the bowl game. That way we can all lie to ourselves about next year and get excited, even if we all know the truth.
As always, I hope I'm wrong. I really do.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:50 am to ProjectP2294
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Why?
Because it's like comparing Chuck Pagano to Bill Belicheck. It makes no goddamn sense
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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if we hired O to guide us through a rebuild then this is possibly one of the worst coaching hires in CFB history
i can buy continuity and say "that's life"
but hiring him FOR a rebuild? that literally makes no sense
You keep building this straw man.
If you are trying to make a point that the Orgeron hire wasn't a great decision on paper, you are reaching much further than you need to. There are 100 ways to make that argument.
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he kept our OL coach and primary OL recruiter and he was the former DL coach and primary DL recruiter
as frank maraist would say, that dog don't hunt
You aren't following. Try harder. I specifically mentioned Orgeron had some responsibility for the DL issue. He's been rebuilding it since he's been here. And, while we were thin, we really haven't seen significant drop off at that spot until now.
As for the OL,the issues we have simply cannot be attributed to what has happened since he got the hire.
Whether you want it to be the case or not...whether the LSU administration realized it was the case or not...whether Orgeron was selected based on your straw man or not, LSU ABSOLUTELY is starting at a rebuilding job on the OL and DL. Usually, those things take a couple of years. You can't pretend it's not reality just because you didn't realize it.
And, just to be clear, that doesn't mean the Orgeron hire was a good one and I'm not suggesting that.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:55 am to moneyg
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You can't pretend it's not reality just because you didn't realize it
This
Then again SFP is smart enough to realize this. For the sake of arguing he won't admit it though
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:55 am to MOT
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He did absolutely nothing to improve upon what he inherited for the OL and DL on the 2017 team other than lose an additional 5 offensive linemen.
I don't think losing the offensive lineman is a fair criticism of Orgeron. I just don't.
As for the DL, Shelvin and the Texas Tech transfer are clearly things he did. It just doesn't have an impact in 2017.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:56 am to 1999
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amazing this "rebuild narrative" has been created in just a few days. nobody was mentioning a rebuild until after state drilled us by 30.
This is what I have posted several times since Saturday. All that sunshine and rainbows and O Canada, and barely anybody was worried about the OL or DL or WRs.
Now people finally open there eyes and see a shite show.
I have been talking about a rebuild since last year. Stating not only the talent we lose, but the experienced talent at that. I've been saying 8-4/9-3 but people just closed their eyes and ears and shouted, "10-2, 11-1, we'll be at Bama ".
Now people actually see the problems.
The people of Louisiana continue to let me down with their ignorance.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 11:57 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:57 am to moneyg
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You keep building this straw man.
it's not a straw man
either he wash hired for continuity or a rebuild. we were told he was hired for continuity and a rebuild was not necessary. if that was a lie, and he was hired for a rebuild, then how is O a good hire for that?
there are probably 40 head coaches who are better than O and maybe another 60+ coordinators who would be better HCs than O. he wasn't hired b/c he was the best coach that LSU could have hired.
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LSU ABSOLUTELY is starting at a rebuilding job on the OL and DL. Usually, those things take a couple of years.
is anyone happy that Ed Orgeron is the guiding hand of this team rebuild?
if we are in such dire straights, again
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if we hired O to guide us through a rebuild then this is possibly one of the worst coaching hires in CFB history
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:58 am to Lester Earl
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Then again SFP is smart enough to realize this. For the sake of arguing he won't admit it though
i'm fully fine with saying LSU was a rebuild. i clearly have said it's a binary choice
that makes hiring O historically bad
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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you can delude yourself living outside of reality but i'll be happy experiencing that actual world
The reality is no one at LSU gives a shite about what you say. I didn't like the hire either and he isn't who I wanted. But he's here and we can't do anything about it.
But you can waste your time on a message board telling everyone that you were right and the people who support him are idiots ect...
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