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re: LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:22 am to Mayhawman
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:22 am to Mayhawman
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Goalpost on wheels again.
Under Miles it was said LSU underperformed with the most talent in CFB, now there is no talent to be found in the past 4 top ten classes
yep. pretty amazing how this magically just happened after the msu loss too
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:22 am to therick711
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Jimbo was promoted out of the CEO model if you remember. Bobby Bowden's corpse presided over Jimbo and Mickey Andrews. They didn't win shite (won nine games once, no more than 7 the other three seasons). Jimbo becomes head coach, and poof, FSU looks legit again.
Exactly, they made the right move. LSU did not and we should not be making excuses for Orgeron.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:22 am to Circus Child
It was November and we were a top 6 rated team. We will be out of the top 25 soon in September. People say we have been having the same problems for 5-6 years. Crazy the possible differences in productivity.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:23 am to Circus Child
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A coach has never gotten better with more experience?
while it's theoretically possible, with O it seems that he's learned that he's not a good coach and has realized he needs to actively manage less and do his best to surround himself with elite coordinator talent. while that plan likely will lead to less failure than being a bad coach who micromanages, i don't know if it really displays an improvement in actual coaching (both in terms of ability or results)
like i asked earlier, what would your thoughts be if Aranda left and we promoted O to run the defense? would you expect an improvement? be happy? i doubt that seriously. the reality is that he's now Aranda's boss.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:23 am to Circus Child
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A coach has never gotten better with more experience?
Just because it can be true, doesn't mean it is in this instance. What part of O's resume or personality make you think he's the kind of person that can seriously improve himself and find and eliminate mistakes? Is it just because he says it or is it something else?
It's not a blanket, "Coaches improve with experience all the time, therefore O will improve." O's path to improvement and situation are different than say a PJ Fleck. The evidence we have about whether or not he's capable of improving is also different.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:23 am to Lester Earl
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If and when coach O proves to not be the guy I'll be the first one to say it.
Under no circumstances will you have been the first guy to say it. You'll be the last. I promise you that. The reason for that, most people knew he wasn't the guy when he was hired.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:24 am to TigerFan4040
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Dumb thread is really dumb. No matter how you slice it, LSU has a new head coach and new offense coordinator. Whether CEO was already in the program or served as interim is irrelevant. Promote a new guy to HC and OC in ANY program and there will be "rebuilding"
U a dodo....
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:25 am to 1999
quote:I have been bashing O, but the D line problems are not on him against MSU. You just cant predict this level of bad luck.
yep. pretty amazing how this magically just happened after the msu loss too
But we still only scored 7, we still have no kicking game, and we still have about 1000 penalty yards, and he still has no idea why his best player wasnt in the game.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:25 am to BilJ
A scary thought I had at the time, and that keeps coming back to me...
go look at how much money comes into the SEC, and is distributed equally. Teams that don't make bowls still get a huge pile of cash. Mizzouri and A&M can attest to that, it was far different in the Big 12. Everything was skewed to the power teams (Texas and Oklahoma) over there.
I fear that maybe, maybe the administration (this goes above Alleva) just want the money, and don't want to spend what it takes to win on the field. That they've conceded the SEC West, and are content with 8 win seasons at most. You had to move Les because he cost money to keep, and had a history of winning (so the fans expect that to stay the same). But you slide O in instead of Herman or Jimbo, go through a couple seasons of wailing, and the fires die down after awile. You get apathy instead, but that doesn't affect our cut of the TV or bowl revenue.
go look at how much money comes into the SEC, and is distributed equally. Teams that don't make bowls still get a huge pile of cash. Mizzouri and A&M can attest to that, it was far different in the Big 12. Everything was skewed to the power teams (Texas and Oklahoma) over there.
I fear that maybe, maybe the administration (this goes above Alleva) just want the money, and don't want to spend what it takes to win on the field. That they've conceded the SEC West, and are content with 8 win seasons at most. You had to move Les because he cost money to keep, and had a history of winning (so the fans expect that to stay the same). But you slide O in instead of Herman or Jimbo, go through a couple seasons of wailing, and the fires die down after awile. You get apathy instead, but that doesn't affect our cut of the TV or bowl revenue.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:26 am to Lester Earl
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Thanks nostradamus.
I would like to see more than 3 games to determine that.
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We should field a potentially elite defense next year should Aranda still be here.
From you in back to back posts. The hypocrisy can't be overstated.
Good job.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:27 am to TigerFan4040
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This is what is fricking stupid. Honestly, in what universe will having a new HC and OC NOT HAVE GROWING PAINS? (Especially with the youth and inexperience we have in starting roles).
U double down on dodo....
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:29 am to RB10
Only one of those are my post, genius
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:30 am to Scoob
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You had to move Les because he cost money to keep
It was also costing money to get rid him as well, and considering this part of your post:
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I fear that maybe, maybe the administration (this goes above Alleva) just want the money, and don't want to spend what it takes to win on the field. That they've conceded the SEC West, and are content with 8 win seasons at most.
It came out after Miles was fired that part of firing Miles was an attempt at preventing Miles from winning enough games to justify keeping him around for another year, so you had to think there is still hope of higher expectations.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:30 am to therick711
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Under no circumstances will you have been the first guy to say it. You'll be the last. I promise you that. The reason for that, most people knew he wasn't the guy when he was hired
Right, like I was the only one last week saying our team wasn't as good as people thought and took on a barrage of rantards telling me how wrong I was
. And there you were sitting over there saying Dan Mullen was a terrible coach
don't sit here and say I don't call it like I see it. I don't give a frick about O. But realistically we know nothing right now This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 10:31 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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and continue to blame hustle/effort for the losses.
which is funny because this:
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primarily motivation and emotional connections
is supposed to be his expertise.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:31 am to Lester Earl
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Only one of those are my post, genius
My bad. I'm on my phone.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:31 am to Lester Earl
I think Dan Mullen sucks as a coach, yes. I would still take him without reservation over Orgeron.
Dan Mullen cost State a game against Auburn because he either doesn't know how the clock works in a CFB game or doesn't care. Runs an option play without timeouts, Relf gets stuffed, State doesn't get another play off. Mullen after the game, "I wouldn't have done anything differently"
Wow.
Dan Mullen cost State a game against Auburn because he either doesn't know how the clock works in a CFB game or doesn't care. Runs an option play without timeouts, Relf gets stuffed, State doesn't get another play off. Mullen after the game, "I wouldn't have done anything differently"
Wow.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 10:33 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:32 am to ProjectP2294
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primarily motivation and emotional connections
is supposed to be his expertise.
I at least had some smallish reservations about that after the Florida game.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:33 am to Scoob
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A scary thought I had at the time, and that keeps coming back to me...
go look at how much money comes into the SEC, and is distributed equally. Teams that don't make bowls still get a huge pile of cash. Mizzouri and A&M can attest to that, it was far different in the Big 12. Everything was skewed to the power teams (Texas and Oklahoma) over there.
I fear that maybe, maybe the administration (this goes above Alleva) just want the money, and don't want to spend what it takes to win on the field. That they've conceded the SEC West, and are content with 8 win seasons at most. You had to move Les because he cost money to keep, and had a history of winning (so the fans expect that to stay the same). But you slide O in instead of Herman or Jimbo, go through a couple seasons of wailing, and the fires die down after awile. You get apathy instead, but that doesn't affect our cut of the TV or bowl revenue.
My scary
thought is that "the binder" is like something built by Pete Carroll or straight up stolen from somewhere else that O had and he and Ponamsky literally changed words/re-typed it out, slapped on a sweet LSU logo and Alleva took it hook, line and sinker. That it means absolutely nothing, yet was referenced multiple times as a major reason O was hired. That he took the time to put together a plan, etc.
Would be the ultimate bait and switch. That there is literally NOTHING driving the train outside of "hire the best coordinators." That THAT is literally the only plan.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:34 am to TigerFan4040
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in what universe will having a new HC and OC NOT HAVE GROWING PAINS?
Utah 2002 5-6
Urban Meyer
Utah 2003 10-2
Florida 2004 7-5
Urban Meyer
Florida 2005 9-3
Ohio State 2011 6-7
Urban Meyer
Ohio State 2012 12-0
There is one coach example, im sure i could find plenty more
and before someone says "well thats Urban Meyer, you cant compare him to that" Why not? If you dont think that he can do that or dont think he has the potential to be that guy, then you shouldnt hire him in the first place
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 10:36 am
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