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re: LSU is currently 4th in the COUNTRY in kickoff return defense
Posted on 9/22/16 at 1:49 pm to beauchristopher
Posted on 9/22/16 at 1:49 pm to beauchristopher
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Also, as other pointed out I wonder if the OOB kicks are helping the avg.
I'd have to guess they aren't factored in the average just like a touch back wouldn't be
But never underestimate the power of LSU fans to find a way to take a shite on their own team.
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Posted on 9/22/16 at 1:54 pm to thunderbird1100
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Average starting field position on kickoffs for the opposing team is WAY more relevant. It takes into account touchbacks, kicks out of bounds...and where the guy actually kicks it to in addition to the return, all pretty important measures outside of just how far does a returner run with the ball regardless of where it's kicked
well according the poster above avg starting field position is pretty good, no? if we kicked it out of the endzone every time it would be the 25. the kicks out of bounds are annoying, but we were fantastic last week on KO coverage, seemed like every kickoff (outside the one OBs) we stopped state inside the 20
This post was edited on 9/22/16 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 9/22/16 at 1:55 pm to AndUhIUh
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Per the Google:
Redundant - not or no longer needed or useful; superfluous.
But hey, nice try!
Per the Webster:
Simple Definition of redundant
: repeating something else and therefore unnecessary
Posted on 9/22/16 at 1:58 pm to thunderbird1100
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Yards per return on kickoffs is a completely useless stat. What if you sky kick it to the 15 yard line and tackle them 10 yards later every time? That's a starting field position of the 25 yard line, which is the same as kicking it through the end zone every play...but 10 yards per return looks fantastic
Average starting field position on kickoffs for the opposing team is WAY more relevant. It takes into account touchbacks, kicks out of bounds...and where the guy actually kicks it to in addition to the return, all pretty important measures outside of just how far does a returner run with the ball regardless of where it's kicked.
Useless stat? So the ability of your kicker to place the ball where you want the ability of your coverage units to tackle is irrelevant?
Posted on 9/22/16 at 1:59 pm to Mickey Goldmill
I understand your brain is limited to only the colloquial or socially popular meanings of words, but words have more than one meaning.
Get out of Baton Rouge for a weekend..
Get out of Baton Rouge for a weekend..
Posted on 9/22/16 at 2:01 pm to Blanky6715
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It may be useless but the examples that you provide are not consistent with our kickoffs, the kick coverage when the ball is kicked right at the goal line has been excellent, we have had a couple go out of bounds but we aren't sky kicking them at the 15
My examples weren't examples of us, just showing how useless "kickoff return defense" is a meaningless statistic when all you're compiling is yards the guy returns the ball when it ignores the most important thing of a kickoff which is where the ball is actually kicked.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 2:02 pm to lsufball19
I'm missing 1 kickoff since ESPN's play by play doesn't show it, but our opponents have averaged a starting field position from kickoffs at the ~21.5 yard line. The national average is around the 27. The only 2 kicks that the opponent started beyond the 27 were the two that went out of bounds. Peveto getting it done
Posted on 9/22/16 at 2:03 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Useless stat? So the ability of your kicker to place the ball where you want the ability of your coverage units to tackle is irrelevant?
What you just said is irrelevant in the stat you posted...because it's NOT taking into account where the kicker actually places the ball, ONLY when a returner kicks it how far they are going.
FYI I'm not trying to sit here and say our kickoff team is shite, I'm trying to say that statistic is useless without relevant information. If the average starting field position of our opponents after kickoffs is Top 5 in the country, then it ACTUALLY shows how good we are doing on kickoffs.
This post was edited on 9/22/16 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 9/22/16 at 2:05 pm to thunderbird1100
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Average starting field position on kickoffs for the opposing team is WAY more relevant. It takes into account touchbacks, kicks out of bounds...and where the guy actually kicks it to in addition to the return, all pretty important measures outside of just how far does a returner run with the ball regardless of where it's kicked.
Please post those rankings.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 2:08 pm to Jester
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Please post those rankings.
No idea who tracks it, because cfbstats and ESPN doesnt seem to
Posted on 9/22/16 at 2:10 pm to dallastiger55
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Print the shirts
think you meant "Sauce the ribs."
Posted on 9/22/16 at 2:10 pm to AndUhIUh
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I understand your brain is limited to only the colloquial or socially popular meanings of words, but words have more than one meaning.
Get out of Baton Rouge for a weekend..
I don't live in Baton Rouge. Also, just saying that the common use of the term redundant is something repetitive and thus unnecessary. You don't come across as more intelligent by using that term the way you did lol
Posted on 9/22/16 at 2:14 pm to thunderbird1100
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What you just said is irrelevant in the stat you posted...because it's NOT taking into account where the kicker actually places the ball, ONLY when a returner kicks it how far they are going.
FYI I'm not trying to sit here and say our kickoff team is shite, I'm trying to say that statistic is useless without relevant information. If the average starting field position of our opponents after kickoffs is Top 5 in the country, then it ACTUALLY shows how good we are doing on kickoffs.
It's still not useless when arguing for or against our kickoff strategies. When executed properly, meaning the kicker places the ball where we want it to be (corner of the field), our coverage unit is able to reduce their return.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 2:17 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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You don't come across as more intelligent by using that term the way you did
I'm not trying to come off as more intelligent by using the term the way I did (you brought this shite up). I used it in a valid way. YOU are trying to come off as more intelligent by "correcting" me and it backfired on you. You failed.
Look up the definition of words before you tell someone to look up the definition of a word.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 2:18 pm to AndUhIUh
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I'm not trying to come off as more intelligent by using the term the way I did (you brought this shite up). I used it in a valid way. YOU are trying to come off as more intelligent by "correcting" me and it backfired on you. You failed.
Look up the definition of words before you tell someone to look up the definition of a word.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 2:20 pm to thunderbird1100
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Average starting field position on kickoffs for the opposing team is WAY more relevant. It takes into account touchbacks, kicks out of bounds...and where the guy actually kicks it to in addition to the return, all pretty important measures outside of just how far does a returner run with the ball regardless of where it's kicked.
LSU opponents' starting field position after kickoffs is the 22.
With the exception of kicks out of bounds(that inarguably need to be eliminated) and touchbacks, LSU's opponents have only started outside the 20 twice.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 2:20 pm to Mickey Goldmill
To illustrate the point, Georgia Southern is #1 in this stat at under 10 yards per return (looks fantastic), only had 2 kicks returned against them.
They've kicked it off 20 times this year, 17 times as a touchback, once as kick out of bounds.
So 17 kicks ended up at the 25 yard line, 1 kick ended up at the 35 yard line. The 2 returned kicks ended up at the 11 yard line (kicked to endzone line, returned to 11 yard line) and to the 27 yard line (kicked to 20 yard line, returned to 27 yard line).
So that's an average starting field position of:
17 x 25 = 425
+
1 x 35 = 35
+
1 x 11 = 11
+
1 x 27 = 27
=
498 yards/20 kicks
24.9 yard line
Probably not best in the country, or even in the Top 20/25. So yeah, it's pretty irrelevant without knowing where the ball was kicked and where the ball ended up starting for the other team...and being able to compare starting field position after kickoffs amongst everyone. Seems like a few folks have said we are at about 21-22 yards opponent average starting field position after kickoffs. I'd imagine that's very good, not sure if that's Top 5 though.
They've kicked it off 20 times this year, 17 times as a touchback, once as kick out of bounds.
So 17 kicks ended up at the 25 yard line, 1 kick ended up at the 35 yard line. The 2 returned kicks ended up at the 11 yard line (kicked to endzone line, returned to 11 yard line) and to the 27 yard line (kicked to 20 yard line, returned to 27 yard line).
So that's an average starting field position of:
17 x 25 = 425
+
1 x 35 = 35
+
1 x 11 = 11
+
1 x 27 = 27
=
498 yards/20 kicks
24.9 yard line
Probably not best in the country, or even in the Top 20/25. So yeah, it's pretty irrelevant without knowing where the ball was kicked and where the ball ended up starting for the other team...and being able to compare starting field position after kickoffs amongst everyone. Seems like a few folks have said we are at about 21-22 yards opponent average starting field position after kickoffs. I'd imagine that's very good, not sure if that's Top 5 though.
This post was edited on 9/22/16 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 9/22/16 at 2:35 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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It's still not useless
Continuing to assert this is not going to make it true.
I like how you didn't even address the point of my original post and just failed in trying to correct me.
-- LSU has the #4 kick defense in the country
-- Toledo has the #3 defense in the country
If you accept one of those as a useful stat, you must accept both.
This post was edited on 9/22/16 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 9/22/16 at 2:58 pm to AndUhIUh
The only reason I am still here is for the argument over the correct definition of redundant.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 3:00 pm to Fishhead
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I guess when you kick OOB it's 0 yds per return, no?
I think it just doesn't count. To me it should count as 35 yards, and a touchback should count as 25.
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