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re: LSU football.. remember the glory days
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:43 pm to Nutriaitch
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:43 pm to Nutriaitch
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you do realize that just in the last 10 years that multiple bigger schools with more history and tradition than LSU have missed bowl games?
to say it can’t happen here is being delusional.
I didn’t say it can’t happen here. I said “I doubt it will”.
With the built in recruiting advantage of LA talent, and Dave Aranda orchestrating our defense, hell that’s good enough for six wins all by itself.
When Aranda leaves, that is a different story. But until he does, Steve Ensminger as OC, hell even Steve Carrell, isn’t keeping us out of a bowl game.
This is always hard to explain, but this isn’t a “we’re ok everything is fine” post. It is the absolute worst possible situation.
If we were on a path to miss bowls it would make the situation undeniable and we would actually move on quicker and easier.
But it’s this 8 and 9 win rut that is most dangerous for a program. We can sit in it for years while true damage rots out the foundation under the surface while the CheeriOs will keep screaming “look we’re so close, next year we have this coming back and this class coming in” blah blah blah while true progress is never being cultivated.
If championships are the goal, we are fricked.
If bowl games are the goal, they will build a statue of O in 20 years cloaked in all of his Taxslayer, Belk, and Liberty Bowl banners he’s acquired over years of conquests.
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 12:46 pm
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:45 pm to tduecen
Go ahead and list them. I wonder why you didn't?
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:48 pm to Stephen1979
15/22 starters on the 2007 team were Saban players
Not sure about the 2003 team in terms of dinardo players
Not sure about the 2003 team in terms of dinardo players
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:48 pm to lsupride87
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Post the rosters of how fricking loaded Saban left us in 2005 and 2006
i've hated the dolphins ever since
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:55 pm to lsupride87
Yea it'll be majority Saban recruits on 03 too. That 01 and 02 class elevated this program. There are just some posters who like to argue for the sake of arguing I think.
You'd think people would just use some common sense and compare the rosters from 06-07 to 08 and 09. Wouldn't all those studs miles brought in that played on the 07 team been upperclassmen those years? Seems like they should have been the backbone of more championship teams. If I remember correctly though, there was a drastic dip in talent from 07 to 08
You'd think people would just use some common sense and compare the rosters from 06-07 to 08 and 09. Wouldn't all those studs miles brought in that played on the 07 team been upperclassmen those years? Seems like they should have been the backbone of more championship teams. If I remember correctly though, there was a drastic dip in talent from 07 to 08
Posted on 1/18/18 at 1:01 pm to lsupride87
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Well, this is what Miles did with a team loaded with saban players 2005-11-2 finished #5 2006-11-2 finsished #3 2007-12-2 finished #1 So, I would imagine everyone concedes saban is a far better coach than miles. So, even without Saban being the coach towards the end, we won 2 sec titles in 4 years and 2 natty titles in 4 years with his players.......
I agree that Saban probably would have done better than Miles. After the Arkansas loss in 2007, LSU was extremely lucky to get to the championship.
I think Saban wins 2, maybe 3 other NCs after 2007 (and LSU is more dominant in 2007) with LSU and that no one would have had more success at LSU than Saban.
My point is, given the difference in institutions and their respective cultures, Saban would not have been as successful at LSU as he has been at Alabama.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 1:11 pm to lsupride87
Here is a list of players that participated in the national championship game vs Oklahoma, I'm highlighting the Dinardo recruits.
So 15 of the 52 were Dinardo recruits
Now I will do the same for Miles
23 of the 52 were Saban recruits for Miles
Y'all can check for errs on LSUsports.net if you want
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LSU: 5-Skyler Green, 7-Adrian Mayes, 8-Jack Hunt, 9-D. Henderson, 10-Joseph Addai, 13-Corey Webster, 14-Michael Clayton, 17-Bennie Brazell, 18-Matt Mauck, 21-Randall Gay, 22-Alley Broussard, 24-Keron Gordon, 25-Justin Vincent, 27-Eric Alexander, 29-Travis Daniels, 30-LaRon Landry, 31-Jessie Daniels, 32-B. Edwards, 37-Daniel Francis, 38-G. Giambelluca, 39-Ryan Gaudet, 41-Chris Jackson, 43-Chad White, 44-Kevin Steltz, 46-Cameron Vaughn, 47-Eric Edwards, 48-Kirston Pittman, 54-Brian West, 55-Ben Wilkerson, 57-Dave Peterson, 58-Lionel Turner, 60-Rodney Reed, 62-Harold Bicknell, 68-Terrell McGill, 70-Gant Petty, 71-Nate Livings, 72-S. Peterman, 76-A. Whitworth, 80-Donnie Jones, 81-Dwayne Bowe, 82-David Jones, 84-Marcus Spears, 87-Blain Bech, 89-Keith Zinger, 90-Melvin Oliver, 92-Bryce Wyatt, 93-Chad Lavalais, 94-Marquise Hill, 95-Kyle Williams, 97-B. Washington, 98-Torran Williams, 99-Jason LeDoux.
So 15 of the 52 were Dinardo recruits
Now I will do the same for Miles
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LSU: 1A-Kelvin Sheppard, 3-Chad Jones, 4-Jai Eugene, 5-K. Williams, 6-Colt David, 8-T. Holliday, 11-Ryan Perrilloux,
23-Josh McManus, 24-Harry Coleman, 26-Richard Murphy, 28-R.J. Jackson, 29-Chris Hawkins, 32-Charles Scott, 33-Tyson Andrus,
36-Patrick Fisher, 40-Shawn Jordan, 44-Danny McCray, 45-Quinn Johnson, 47-T. Johnson, 51-Jacob O'Hair, 54-Jacob Cutrera,
56-Perry Riley, 63-Ryan Miller, 69-Sean Gaudet, 73-Will Arnold, 78-J. Barksdale, 80-T. Toliver, 81-Mit Cole, 82-Richard Dickson,
84-Rahim Alem, 86-Chris Mitchell, 87-Jared Mitchell, 92-Drake Nevis, 95-L. Levingston, 97-Al Woods, 99-Marlon Favorite.
QB 15 Matt Flynn
RB 18 Jacob Hester
WR 2 Demetrius Byrd
WR 1 Brandon LaFell
TE 89 Keith Zinger
WR 9 Early Doucet
LT 70 Ciron Black
LG 79 Herman Johnson
C 74 Brett Helms
RG 65 Lyle Hitt
RT 71 Carnell Stewart
POS ## DEFENSE
DE 93 Tyson Jackson
DT 72 Glenn Dorsey
DT 90 R Jean-Francois
DE 49 Kirston Pittman
WLB 35 Luke Sanders
MLB 48 Darry Beckwith
SLB 7 Ali Highsmith
CB 19 Jonathan Zenon
CB 21 Chevis Jackson
SS 16 Craig Steltz
FS 27 Curtis Taylor
23 of the 52 were Saban recruits for Miles
Y'all can check for errs on LSUsports.net if you want
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 1/18/18 at 1:15 pm to tduecen
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Here is a list of players that participated in the national championship game vs Oklahoma, I'm highlighting the Dinardo recruits.
So, starters were by my recollection:
2003 team dinardo players: 6/22
2007 team saban players: 15/22
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 1/18/18 at 1:50 pm to The First Cut
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Only one of the Saban years was better than the average Miles year.
Saban changed the mindset at LSU. Before Saban, we hired cheap coaches and hoped they flourished at LSU. Didn't work.
Mark Emmert changed that and made sure we paid Saban.
Nick Saban is the one who made the leadership understand that we have to invest in the football program if we want to compete with other elite programs. So we did. And we became an elite program. Even after Saban left, the powers that be understood we had to keep investing.
Unfortunately, that leadership is now gone and we are back at square one with an administration that is unwilling to invest in the football program, and trying to get away with cheap hires again. Cheap hires rarely work, especially a position coach who has no business being a head coach.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 1:55 pm to lsupride87
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2003 team dinardo players: 6/22
2007 team saban players: 15/22
It should be 7/22 in 03, plus Donnie Jones, but whatever.
How many of the 01 SEC Championship team were DiNardo recruits?
How many of the 11 SEC Championship team were Saban recruits?
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:08 pm to lsupride87
quote:OK, Saban is better than any coach in FBS.
Yall are batshit insane
Everyone in the world agrees Saban is a far better coach than miles correct?
We owe Nick for help in paving the path. Feel better?
The record shows he wasn't as consistent as Miles while at LSU though.
quote:Hmmm, seems much, much, better than what Saban did with a bunch of Saban players.
Well, this is what Miles did with a team loaded with saban players
005-11-2 finished #5
2006-11-2 finsished #3
2007-12-2 finished #1
Miles also ran off 4 straight 10+ win seasons without a single Saban player, while having to compete against your god once, even twice a year, in the toughest division of the toughest conference.
Saban, on the other hand, didn't face Saban, or Meyer, and escaped his yearly 40pt skulldragging from SOS after 2001.
He wasn't quite as great 2000-2004 as with Bama and it's ok.
Folks can appreciate what Saban did at LSU without blowing him in public, and shitting on other LSU coaches.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:24 pm to tduecen
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tduecen
Some of the players you have emboldened as DiNardo recruits were in Saban's first class ('00), not DiNardo's last ('99), e.g., Jack Hunt Adrian Mayes, S. Peterman.
LSU Recruiting Classes
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:28 pm to The First Cut
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2000 - 8-4 2001 - 10-3 2002 - 8-5 2003 - 13-1 2004 - 9-3
Were you guys ready to cut bait with him after those first 3 years. Took him a while to get one decent year out of 5
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:49 pm to AlwysATgr
Wasn't that a Gerry lame duck class?
There could've been some late arrivals/flips, but Saban was coaching Spartans in '99 when 2000 class was being formed.
There could've been some late arrivals/flips, but Saban was coaching Spartans in '99 when 2000 class was being formed.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:17 pm to Stephen1979
LSU had an opportunity to clean house and start anew over a year ago. They choose to hire within and keep the band together for the most part. Not ideal but I can see the value of why they choose to do it. It does no good bitching about the O hire now. This is a results driven business and if he slips and fall then I guarantee there will change again.
I agree that was my point. Some have zoomed in so much that they can't see everything and choose to focus on specific quotes, a hire that didn't work out or one game, if you will.
I'm encouraged that he taken ownership and has surrounded himself with people that he wants to work with and that want to work with him. Going into year 2 we will see if this translates to being a contender or not. I don't believe this is as dire straits as most on here want to portray it to be. I'm encouraged that the talent level and depth will be better. I'm encouraged that the team rebounded after a bad September. I'm hopeful that we are better next year.
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What if the lens you look through is the one that allows you to look at the big picture? One that sees more than wins and losses? One that understands context, trends, and the details that indicate whether a program is being managed at an elite level or not? I ask bc that's the lens I look through.
I agree that was my point. Some have zoomed in so much that they can't see everything and choose to focus on specific quotes, a hire that didn't work out or one game, if you will.
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If you're truly encouraged by what you're seeing then I'm jealous bc I wish I could just ignore the numerous red flags, but I can't.
I'm encouraged that he taken ownership and has surrounded himself with people that he wants to work with and that want to work with him. Going into year 2 we will see if this translates to being a contender or not. I don't believe this is as dire straits as most on here want to portray it to be. I'm encouraged that the talent level and depth will be better. I'm encouraged that the team rebounded after a bad September. I'm hopeful that we are better next year.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:50 pm to Mayhawman
Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:57 pm to bowlbound
Saban won the SEC in his second year.
The team was shaping up nicely in his third before the starting QB went down with a season-ending injury.
Year 4 he won the national championship.
I don't remember anyone at that time claiming we should get rid of him. Most were concerned that the NFL was constantly calling him.
So, there really is no comparison between his initial years, how the fans thought of him and O. I'm not sure if you are making the same weak argument as several others that "we need to just give O more time" and that we're being unfair to O because we didn't do the same thing with Saban.
It really makes no sense at all to compare anything about O with Saban.
The team was shaping up nicely in his third before the starting QB went down with a season-ending injury.
Year 4 he won the national championship.
I don't remember anyone at that time claiming we should get rid of him. Most were concerned that the NFL was constantly calling him.
So, there really is no comparison between his initial years, how the fans thought of him and O. I'm not sure if you are making the same weak argument as several others that "we need to just give O more time" and that we're being unfair to O because we didn't do the same thing with Saban.
It really makes no sense at all to compare anything about O with Saban.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 4:00 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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Had Saban not left LSU, he would NOT have won all the titles everyone thinks he would have won.
I totally agree with you. Saban is a different coach at bama than he was at LSU.
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I won't go into why as it will make the rant's head explode.
I think I know where you're going with this.Posted on 1/18/18 at 4:08 pm to The First Cut
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Only one of the Saban years was better than the average Miles year.
2000 - 8-4
2001 - 10-3
2002 - 8-5
2003 - 13-1
2004 - 9-3
Man, Bama really screwed up by hiring Saban instead of Miles.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 4:17 pm to Stephen1979
quote:Well Saban didn't exactly leave much for 2005.
If I remember correctly though, there was a drastic dip in talent from 07 to 08
Some quality, but only half a class of 13 committs.
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