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re: LSU football.. remember the glory days
Posted on 1/18/18 at 7:58 am to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 1/18/18 at 7:58 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Ok, rather than argue that ridiculous hypothetical, let’s just move to years 7-9, when Miles went 33-7 from 11-13. Is that still credited to the mythical and long lasting Saban “template”?
Saban built our foundation so well that it took over a decade for us to completely frick it up.
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 8:02 am to The First Cut
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nly one of the Saban years was better than the average Miles year.
The glory days include Miles you moron.
We're in the Mike DuBose days now baws
Posted on 1/18/18 at 8:15 am to The Boat
Sigh. Many of Orgeron's supporters think it's the younger generation that are critical of him but really it's the many of us who witnessed Saban's transformation of LSU into a national championship caliber program. We know what it looks like and feels like and this is not it.
During the week ahead of the Alabama game this year, one of our players described the LSU-Alabama relationship as "little brother" wanting to finally beat up but brother. It's been so long now that today's LSU players fail to realize there was a time when LSU was nobody's "little brother".
During the week ahead of the Alabama game this year, one of our players described the LSU-Alabama relationship as "little brother" wanting to finally beat up but brother. It's been so long now that today's LSU players fail to realize there was a time when LSU was nobody's "little brother".
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 8:17 am
Posted on 1/18/18 at 8:17 am to The First Cut
So it’s ok for Saban to go 8-4 in his first year, but it’s not ok for CEO to 9-4 in his first year.
Got it!
Alot of recency bias is being displayed on this thread.
Got it!
Alot of recency bias is being displayed on this thread.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 8:20 am to BayouBoogie
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This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 8:26 am
Posted on 1/18/18 at 8:22 am to danfraz
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danfraz
Note to danfraz
Improve comprehension skills before calling one a moron.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 8:25 am to BayouBoogie
Not apples to apples. You guys that are all about numbers don't seem to look at context of what the culture was when Saban took over. You don't acknowledge the way he transformed that into one of winning and expecting to win. We expected to win championships bc of him and the standard he created. We've slowly moved away from that bc of blind homerism. If that's what youre ok with then so be it, but don't just post two sets of numbers and act like they tell the whole story. Anyone who wants to win championships and watched from 2000 on knows that this garbage we see happening now ain't gonna cut it
Posted on 1/18/18 at 8:27 am to Stephen1979
Saban improved the culture, you are absolutely correct. But saying that we expected to win titles and then lost 3 games is not a positive.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 8:28 am to LaBR4
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The Dream Team
you lost me there...
Nick Saban - GOAT
John Brady - I'll give you that he was the best coach between daddy dale and Jones, but that's a given. I liked Brady, but Wade will blow the lid off of that.
Skip - the king of LSU baseball, yet the AD that didn't let Little Nicky back. His foresight as an AD was just not very good. At the same time, no one would have made a different decision there. So...
Posted on 1/18/18 at 8:36 am to The First Cut
2004 was a disappointment, agreed. Having said, I think we can all agree the program was in much better shape when he was here and I think it's safe to say we all had a lot more confidence in him than we did Miles or Orgeron.
The crowd that wants to bury their heads in the sand and compare Orgerons record in 2017 to Saban in 2000 are damn fools. Not sure why we continue to have people saying that type of crap on here. Kinda like comparing Troy to UAB in 2000. If the lens you view things through is that narrow then you just don't get it
The crowd that wants to bury their heads in the sand and compare Orgerons record in 2017 to Saban in 2000 are damn fools. Not sure why we continue to have people saying that type of crap on here. Kinda like comparing Troy to UAB in 2000. If the lens you view things through is that narrow then you just don't get it
Posted on 1/18/18 at 8:43 am to Stephen1979
I agree with you regarding the change in direction that Saban gave LSU. At the same time, the Orgeron melt on this board is exceptionally premature.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 9:07 am to The First Cut
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At the same time, the Orgeron melt on this board is exceptionally premature.
O should have never been hired. Left to his own devices he will tank the program. Aranda and Raymond are elite at what they do and Ensminger is valuable on the staff (but he is not an elite OC) but we have a huge leadership vacuum.
We will be lucky to maintain 6 to 9 wins a year with O as coach. Only those emotionally or financially attached to O are arguing that he will ever win a championship.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 9:36 am to The Boat
I remember when the fans weren't giant pussys.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 9:37 am to tigertex1992
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Sigh. Many of Orgeron's supporters think it's the younger generation that are critical of him but really it's the many of us who witnessed Saban's transformation of LSU into a national championship caliber program. We know what it looks like and feels like and this is not it.
Going from Saban to Miles was an underwhelming hire to me. I hated it and I was bitter about it. But ol' Les grew on me and I softened up on him. Despite all the his success while here, in the end, I was just as bitter about him as I was at the beginning.
Orgeron was also an underwhelming hire. He is not due all the blame he is getting and deserves the opportunity to screw it up just Miles did. O wasn't given the keys to car with a full tank like Les was.
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During the week ahead of the Alabama game this year, one of our players described the LSU-Alabama relationship as "little brother" wanting to finally beat up but brother. It's been so long now that today's LSU players fail to realize there was a time when LSU was nobody's "little brother".
Losing to a team 6 straight times will do that.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 9:44 am to lurkr
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I remember when the fans weren't giant pussys.
Yeah, you can say that, but what you are seeing is a large subset of the fan base that knows what a successful program looks and feels like and the current configuration of LSU football isn’t it.
Why be silent when you know a prophecy will be fufilled in time. It’s not self fulfilling to complain about something you are certain will occur.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 9:56 am to lurkr
Yes, real men remain silent in the face of incompetence and deceit.
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 9:57 am
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:06 am to Retlaw
Then this large subset needs to open up their giant checkbooks and take over the program. (You know, what bama did and still does) they didn't whine, bitch, piss, and moan on a website. They got off their arse and fixed it.
So get on it all you internet bad asses. No TAF fees don't take over. Real money does.
So get on it all you internet bad asses. No TAF fees don't take over. Real money does.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:14 am to The First Cut
He was just a beginner at LSU. He had to learn how to win with all that talent he found when he moved south.
Great coaches surround themselves with other great coaches, who in turn attract the best talent. It's not like Saban was so successful before he moved south.
Great coaches surround themselves with other great coaches, who in turn attract the best talent. It's not like Saban was so successful before he moved south.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:14 am to BayouBoogie
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So it’s ok for Saban to go 8-4 in his first year, but it’s not ok for CEO to 9-4 in his first year.
Another O = Saban jab
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Alot of recency bias is being displayed on this thread.
Not even worth a real thought out comment.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:16 am to lurkr
Great, if we all lived in Louisiana and had giant checkbooks, maybe we would. But if we don't, we'll keep pointing out the problem, offering solutions, and try to build consensus that change needs to be made. If you disagree, feel free to make a rebuttal.
The OP wasn't whining, he simply asked folks to recall a time when the program was in its ascendancy. There are those on here, maybe even you, that believe Orgeron is a championship-caliber coach. That's laughable and until people accept that, the program will regress.
The OP wasn't whining, he simply asked folks to recall a time when the program was in its ascendancy. There are those on here, maybe even you, that believe Orgeron is a championship-caliber coach. That's laughable and until people accept that, the program will regress.
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