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re: LSU football.. remember the glory days
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:20 am to Stephen1979
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:20 am to Stephen1979
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The crowd that wants to bury their heads in the sand and compare Orgerons record in 2017 to Saban in 2000 are damn fools. Not sure why we continue to have people saying that type of crap on here. Kinda like comparing Troy to UAB in 2000. If the lens you view things through is that narrow then you just don't get it
No rationale person/adult is burying their heads. Saban is a different atmosphere EVERYWHERE. Worthy comparisons of him to other coaches is limited to a small group of his peers.
But because the criticism and doomsday never ends around here people want to point out that even the great Saban is not without faults. Those criticisms are also warranted but always leads to comparisons. Such as the intent of this thread. Comparing the mood from 15 years ago to that of today. It works both ways.
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Kinda like comparing Troy to UAB in 2000.
Even when good things happen or something positive is worth noting, it gets shitted on. The trump card will forever be the Troy loss. O earned that loss just as he does a win. Losing to a lower tiered team will always be trophy that no coach wants. Saban has a couple of the those also but, they are just harder to see in his trophy case.
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If the lens you view things through is that narrow then you just don't get it
Never truer words. I guess it will always depend on which end of the scope you are looking through.
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:45 am to madddoggydawg
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There it is folks. Favorably comparing Les Miles to the GOAT.
You cant fix stupid.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:47 am to Stephen1979
quote:By that logic, Dinardo built the team that Saban won a NC with.... let that sink in
The man built a team that Les Miles won a NC with....let that sink in
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:50 am to Stephen1979
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Thank you for starting this thread. It's good to see that there's a few of us who appreciate what he did here and can appreciate him for that. He raised the standards for a time and those were great years. Here's hoping we don't forget that LSU can be a championship program. We just need the right leaders. Let's not accept less
Your right. Miles walked into a loaded team. He left so many championships on the table, its not funny.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:04 am to The Boat
Hard to believe we went from Saban to a DL coach
Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:39 am to madddoggydawg
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Only one of the Saban years was better than the average Miles year.
There it is folks. Favorably comparing Les Miles to the GOAT.
Yeah, stupid mean numbers!!!
Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:47 am to Manswers
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We will be lucky to maintain 6 to 9 wins a year with O as coach.
See this is actually the most dangerous way of thinking, and I disagree.
Winning 6 games is nothing. In fact, I doubt we will ever see another season where LSU isn’t bowl eligible. I posted the same thing in 2016 and 2017 when the chicken littles were screaming about missing a bowl game.
It’s that unrealistic nonsense that gives O and Prince an argument to hang their hats on when they “turn it around” and we win 8 or 9 games.
Winning 6 to 8 games is nothing, and that is exactly what we should expect from O. It won’t be “lucky”. It is the absolute floor at a program with the resources and talent of LSU in an age with four OOC games a year.
It is the 9 or 10 win seasons that will be lucky, and everything above that which will be simply out of reach until a real coach is brought back in to lead the program where to it has been from 2000 to 2015.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:53 am to Manswers
And I'm pointing out that we all want to beat bama. Well in order to beat bama you have to outdo bama. LSU fans and supporters are not willing to do that.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:02 pm to lurkr
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And I'm pointing out that we all want to beat bama. Well in order to beat bama you have to outdo bama. LSU fans and supporters are not willing to do that.
One year after being hired, our fan base is effectively still fighting a civil war over the decision to hire Ed Orgeron. There is little, besides the love of our Tigers, that would unite us in seeking to right this ship sooner. It’s as if we are down 42-0 at half and still have two (2) quarters that must be played out in a lopsided loss before we can change coaches.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:17 pm to tduecen
Not really lol. Dinardo left talent, no question, but the bulk of that 03 team was sabans. The 07 team was largely sabans recruits too. I know it sucks that he ended up at bama but the facts are there for all to see if want to go look at the rosters.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:21 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Winning 6 games is nothing. In fact, I doubt we will ever see another season where LSU isn’t bowl eligible.
you do realize that just in the last 10 years that multiple bigger schools with more history and tradition than LSU have missed bowl games?
to say it can’t happen here is being delusional.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:24 pm to lurkr
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And I'm pointing out that we all want to beat bama. Well in order to beat bama you have to outdo bama. LSU fans and supporters are not willing to do that.
There are people with sense here that post.
Amazing.
Another item I like to point out that pisses off the rant:
Had Saban not left LSU, he would NOT have won all the titles everyone thinks he would have won. Sorry to burst that bubble as well.
I won't go into why as it will make the rant's head explode.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:25 pm to lurkr
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And I'm pointing out that we all want to beat bama. Well in order to beat bama you have to outdo bama. LSU fans and supporters are not willing to do that.
I agree with you on that, lurkr.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:25 pm to The First Cut
quote:Post the rosters of how fricking loaded Saban left us in 2005 and 2006
2000 - 8-4
2001 - 10-3
2002 - 8-5
2003 - 13-1
2004 - 9-3
It hurts to say it, but we were about to go on a Bama level rape fest with Saban
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:28 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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Had Saban not left LSU, he would NOT have won all the titles everyone thinks he would have won. Sorry to burst that bubble as well. I won't go into why as it will make the rant's head explode.
I think I agree with you on that. In my opinion, it has to do with the culture and good ole boy network. Saban succeeded at LSU despite the culture. I don't know what it's like at the Univ. of Alabama, but for the last several years I'm sure Saban has had almost unquestioned control.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:28 pm to Le Tenia
What if the lens you look through is the one that allows you to look at the big picture? One that sees more than wins and losses? One that understands context, trends, and the details that indicate whether a program is being managed at an elite level or not? I ask bc that's the lens I look through.
I don't bemoan the Troy loss as many did. I was proud of the turnaround. I'm willing to give Orgeron a chance. But folks grasping at anything to minimize sabans success and build O up are just as guilty as those doing the opposite.
It's skewed by whatever bias people have. As for me, I'd love to see Orgeron win championships here. There's no indication that's gonna happen though. His track record as a head coach offers no confidence neither does the way he's handled the last few weeks.
Facts are facts and the results will be what they will be and there's gonna be no denying it. It's just sad that we've gone from expecting championship contenders to making endless excuses and letting blind homerism interfere with the integrity of running a program bc we are back to the good ole boy days.
If you're truly encouraged by what you're seeing then I'm jealous bc I wish I could just ignore the numerous red flags, but I can't.
I don't bemoan the Troy loss as many did. I was proud of the turnaround. I'm willing to give Orgeron a chance. But folks grasping at anything to minimize sabans success and build O up are just as guilty as those doing the opposite.
It's skewed by whatever bias people have. As for me, I'd love to see Orgeron win championships here. There's no indication that's gonna happen though. His track record as a head coach offers no confidence neither does the way he's handled the last few weeks.
Facts are facts and the results will be what they will be and there's gonna be no denying it. It's just sad that we've gone from expecting championship contenders to making endless excuses and letting blind homerism interfere with the integrity of running a program bc we are back to the good ole boy days.
If you're truly encouraged by what you're seeing then I'm jealous bc I wish I could just ignore the numerous red flags, but I can't.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:30 pm to Retlaw
It will be the same thing that I've been reading on here for 10 plus years, just a different coaches name. Defining year, game, series, and play in coaches tenure.
Bitched about the last coach, same shite with this one, will read the exact same shite with the next one.
Bitched about the last coach, same shite with this one, will read the exact same shite with the next one.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:31 pm to Manswers
quote:Yall are batshit insane
I think I agree with you on that. In my opinion, it has to do with the culture and good ole boy network. Saban succeeded at LSU despite the culture. I don't know what it's like at the Univ. of Alabama, but for the last several years I'm sure Saban has had almost unquestioned control.
Everyone in the world agrees Saban is a far better coach than miles correct?
Well, this is what Miles did with a team loaded with saban players
2005-11-2 finished #5
2006-11-2 finsished #3
2007-12-2 finished #1
So, I would imagine everyone concedes saban is a far better coach than miles. So, even without Saban being the coach towards the end, we won 2 sec titles in 4 years and 2 natty titles in 4 years with his players.......
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:34 pm to Stephen1979
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Not really lol. Dinardo left talent, no question, but the bulk of that 03 team was sabans
21 recruits by Dinardo on the 03 team
30 recruits by Saban on the 07 team
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:35 pm to tduecen
quote:List them please, so we can see what they contributed
21 recruits by Dinardo on the 03 team
quote:Same with these please
30 recruits by Saban on the 07 team
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