re: LSU football - the official "I admit I was wrong" thread

Apparently Miles couldn't find a replacement in time after the 2009 season, and honestly, there wasn't much to blame him for in 2007 & 2008.

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revisionist history at its best. JR was head and shoulders above Flynn in college.

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That is just your opinion.

Flynn still might have been the better QB to invest in. If he would have had all the playing time that JR had from 2004-2006 he might have developed much more than he did by just playing one season in 2007.

But even without the extra reps, I still think that Flynn was a better QB while at LSU. Our defense let us down in the games we lost in 07. It was not Flynn. LSU scored 3 points and 10 points with JR at the helm in our 2 losses in 2006. JR did not get in don offensively when it counted.

Here are some good "blast from the past" threads...

" Garry Crowton" (11.10.08)

" Sick and tired of people" (10.12.09)

" Jarrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson" (10.13.09)

" How Do You Explain Crowton's Demise?" (11.18.09)

" Why is Crowton always" (10.10.10)

" LSU's QBs looked mediocre" (11.13.10)

" Crowton with a real QB" (12.19.10)

" The reason we are poor on offense is not Crowton--" (12.20.10)

" After viewing the spring game, how much blame did Gary Crowton deserve?" (4.11.11)

I was wrong to think LSU fans could handle the failures that come with the successes


very very very very very very very very wrong

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I was wrong in thinking that Les would continue to start Lee after the first Bama game.

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I was wrong to laugh at people like you after the Bama game, because that was mean. Still, it was crystal clear to me that JJ was the new starter when he started the 2nd half after playing the entire 2Q. The "JL lost his position only after his second INT" crowd has always sort of baffled me. Who could really believe this?!?

That's so ridiculous

Look at the numbers, Russells absolutely dwarf Flynns. It is not close. The 2 losses in 2006 were not nearly as egregious as 2007. Both on the road against top 10 teams, one of which was the eventual national champion. Do you even remember those games? Auburn had the most pathetic offensive gameplan I'd seen up to that point and Jamarcus almost won it despite the coaches and officials. Florida, Jamarcus didnt play well. But, 2/3 of his picks hit off Dwayne Bowes hands, there was a fumbled goal line snap between he and Brett Helms, and Early Doucet muffed the 2nd half kickoff. That was the definition of team loss.

Did Flynn win "the big one" against Ohio State? Sure, but he was extremely lucky to even get the opportunity, Russell wasn't. Russells team was playing the best ball in the country and would have beaten UF or OSU in the NC game, there's no doubt. There's also no doubt the 06 team > 07.

Flynn has a promising pro career it appears, but that doesn't have 1 single thing to so with who was better in college, because Russell CLEARLY was.

And to stay on topic

I legitimately thought Les Miles was a better coach than Nick Saban. I was wrong. Saban is the best coach in college football by a substantial margin and has improved quite a bit since his time at LSU.

Russell had an amazing final 4.5 games in his LSU career, but if you look at the average body of work between Russell and Flynn, there's no doubt that Flynn was better at getting offensive production against good teams, and with less talent at his disposal.

Given that Flynn had the better career when everything is averaged out, but Russell was on fire just as he was going into would be his senior season, it's really impossible to say which one was "better" in college, because there's no truly fair basis for comparison.

Flynn was better than Russell in his senior year, but maybe it was only because it was his senior year. What if Russell had stayed another year and was able to continue the roll he was on after that awful first half at Knoxville?

On the other hand, what if Flynn had been able to acquire all the experience that Russell had from 2004 to 2006? Would the LSU offense really have performed as poorly in its 8 games against UGA, UF, & AU, as it did with Russell at the helm?

There's no good way to answer these questions, but as far as who had the best season of offensive production against great defenses relative to the talent around him, I have to hand that distinction to Flynn in 2007. No doubt.

But I tire of this old argument...

It really looked like it was execution as much as coaching

JJ hits a couple of open guys in the passing game early on and it's a different game