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After viewing the spring game, how much blame did Gary Crowton deserve?
Posted on 4/11/11 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 4/11/11 at 10:29 pm
I know it's only been a couple of months, but going into next year, it seems like not a whole hell of a lot has changed.
If next year resembles this year on offense, do we start eye balling Les a little more?
- Les doesn't touch the defense, and look at how it prospers.
- Les does touch the offense, hell, there are stories that his offensive line coach(s) have had to come in behind him after he's just finished coaching someone and tell them to disregard whatever he just told them.
After the coaching change, I was very excited because I honestly thought that Crowton had a huge impact on LSU's offensive success, but I think I might have gone a little too far with that assumption.
Les is a great coach, a great game planner, and a great recruiter. Les also has some very strong ideals that don't always result in him making the best decisions for the team.
Am I naive to think that Les can end up on the hot seat again, especially after his recent extension?
If next year resembles this year on offense, do we start eye balling Les a little more?
- Les doesn't touch the defense, and look at how it prospers.
- Les does touch the offense, hell, there are stories that his offensive line coach(s) have had to come in behind him after he's just finished coaching someone and tell them to disregard whatever he just told them.
After the coaching change, I was very excited because I honestly thought that Crowton had a huge impact on LSU's offensive success, but I think I might have gone a little too far with that assumption.
Les is a great coach, a great game planner, and a great recruiter. Les also has some very strong ideals that don't always result in him making the best decisions for the team.
Am I naive to think that Les can end up on the hot seat again, especially after his recent extension?
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Posted on 4/11/11 at 10:30 pm to EricB
how much time has he had to make a huge impact on the offense?
We took way more shots, and its just the spring game
We took way more shots, and its just the spring game
Posted on 4/11/11 at 10:31 pm to TigerBait1127
Posted on 4/11/11 at 10:33 pm to rosiebean
Serious question that somewhat pertains to this thread:
Was there an option to the short side during the spring game?
Was there an option to the short side during the spring game?
Posted on 4/11/11 at 10:34 pm to EricB
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but going into next year, it seems like not a whole hell of a lot has changed.
So you base this on watching the shitty-arse, glorified scrimmage known as the Spring Game? How many of the spring practices did you attend? What exactly do you know about Kragthorpe and how much teaching he has done with the offense and the QB's? The big generalizations you people make over such a small sample is mind-boggling.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 10:34 pm to EricB
are you basing this on what you saw in the spring game?
Posted on 4/11/11 at 10:36 pm to EricB
Wayyyy too early to draw any conclusions. Coaches aren't going to show shite in the Spring Game on national TV for all the world to see.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 10:38 pm to Choctaw
Of course he is... Which makes zero sense
Posted on 4/11/11 at 10:41 pm to EricB
Every OC in the country would look terrible with JJ running the attack
Posted on 4/11/11 at 10:44 pm to NawlinsTigah270
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Every OC in the country would look terrible with JJ running the attack
AND WE'RE OFF!!!
Posted on 4/11/11 at 10:44 pm to EricB
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hell, there are stories that his offensive line coach(s) have had to come in behind him after he's just finished coaching someone and tell them to disregard whatever he just told them.
right....Posted on 4/11/11 at 10:44 pm to rosiebean
quote:
Was there an option to the short side during the spring game?
No, but you can't even run an option with a non-contact QB. So whether that has been removed remains unknown.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 10:44 pm to Choctaw
The spring game is more than just a "small sample." Actually, before I go on, please lose the social scientist bullshite, because there is very little correlation between the type of data you're making claims about and the data in football. By the way, the important data in football is relevant and I'll use it as my argument.
Practices and closed scrimmages don't mean shite. Not in Spring, and not in Fall. Why? The variables are completely different. The only controllable environment in which a player can be judged on performance is the actual game. This "shitty spring game" that you refer to is just that. Identical to that of regular season processes, you practice all spring, and then you are given a chance to show your medal in the game.
Does anyone here give two shits if JJ practices well the week before Oregon and then throws 3 interceptions while we get our arse kicked? No, the whole point is to be able to do it on the field.
What did I see on the field? Some improvement, but also Les Miles stacking the odds against the challenger and favoring the incumbent. JJ, played with first string against second string. JJ, given extra drives when the wind was at his back so that he could have a chance to complete the pass that Mett made look so easy. Yes, I saw Les doing what he does best, and that is running a full blown political campaign.
Also, I heard the same bullshite argument about the Spring game last year... then i watched JJ go most of the regular season without a single touchdown pass. Nearly an entire season, is that a big enough sample size for you?
For those of us who have played football, some of us can probably relate. Having coaches tell you to disregard what the head coach just said isn't uncommon.
Practices and closed scrimmages don't mean shite. Not in Spring, and not in Fall. Why? The variables are completely different. The only controllable environment in which a player can be judged on performance is the actual game. This "shitty spring game" that you refer to is just that. Identical to that of regular season processes, you practice all spring, and then you are given a chance to show your medal in the game.
Does anyone here give two shits if JJ practices well the week before Oregon and then throws 3 interceptions while we get our arse kicked? No, the whole point is to be able to do it on the field.
What did I see on the field? Some improvement, but also Les Miles stacking the odds against the challenger and favoring the incumbent. JJ, played with first string against second string. JJ, given extra drives when the wind was at his back so that he could have a chance to complete the pass that Mett made look so easy. Yes, I saw Les doing what he does best, and that is running a full blown political campaign.
Also, I heard the same bullshite argument about the Spring game last year... then i watched JJ go most of the regular season without a single touchdown pass. Nearly an entire season, is that a big enough sample size for you?
quote:I'm sure your intimate knowledge of what happens at LSU is higher than mine, since you know more than the actual football players who told me this. Ofcourse, you're probably accusing me of lying. Based off the premise that what? this just doesn't seem to have any fidelity to you?
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For those of us who have played football, some of us can probably relate. Having coaches tell you to disregard what the head coach just said isn't uncommon.
This post was edited on 4/11/11 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 4/11/11 at 10:46 pm to EricB
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Also, I heard the same bullshite argument about the Spring game last year... then i watched JJ go most of the regular season without a single touchdown pass. Nearly an entire season, is that a big enough sample size for you?
Yep. All we heard leading up to last season was how much Jefferson improved and how he was ready to lead the team. Disregarding the fact that it has taken him 4 years to finally be ready to lead and fully understand the offense, I remain skeptical based on his "weighted" spring game performance.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 10:47 pm to EricB
They should have only ran short side options on national tv
Posted on 4/11/11 at 10:47 pm to EricB
Not trying to be a jerk so don't take it that way but you said it yourself (not in so many words):
How much did Crowton deserve? All of it.
At least in the spring game we passed and passed deep. More than once.
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Also, I heard the same bullshite argument about the Spring game last year... then i watched JJ go most of the regular season without a single touchdown pass.
How much did Crowton deserve? All of it.
At least in the spring game we passed and passed deep. More than once.
This post was edited on 4/11/11 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 4/11/11 at 10:48 pm to EricB
So with all that in depth analysis of how Mies pulls the wool over the fan base eyes, why did you come to The Rant asking this question when you already had so much inside info.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 10:49 pm to EricB
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Les Miles stacking the odds against the challenger and favoring the incumbent. JJ, played with first string against second string. JJ, given extra drives when the wind was at his back so that he could have a chance to complete the pass that Mett made look so easy. Yes, I saw Les doing what he does best, and that is running a full blown political campaign.
Holy fricking shite. Do you actually believe this crap?
HINT: Leslie is going to play the QB which give him the best chance to keep his lucrative job. Political campaign? Are you serious? I swear I lose IQ points when I read the shite on this board sometimes.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 10:49 pm to Joe Joe Joe
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No, but you can't even run an option with a non-contact QB. So whether that has been removed remains unknown.
Thanks.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 10:50 pm to 7thWardTiger
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So with all that in depth analysis of how Mies pulls the wool over the fan base eyes, why did you come to The Rant asking this question when you already had so much inside info.
My question had to do with whether or not people think that its possible for Les Miles to be on the hot seat anytime soon despite having recently renewed his contract. Im not familiar with that process.
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