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re: LSU football - the official "I admit I was wrong" thread
Posted on 1/21/12 at 8:46 am to siliconvalleytiger
Posted on 1/21/12 at 8:46 am to siliconvalleytiger
I was right about jlee.
3 yrs ago.
3 yrs ago.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 8:58 am to AlaTiger
I was wrong about Miles. I bailed on him after the Tennessee game in 2005
Posted on 1/21/12 at 9:14 am to siliconvalleytiger
I've never trusted him 100%, more like 90% by end of last season. He would have had me had he won the NC game in dominating fashion; that is, in a way where he convincingly demonstrated awareness and use of the talent on his team. (e.g. we ALL know what Russell Shepard is capable of -- we've seen it with our eyes his Freshman year and brief glimpses since then-- yet the kid didn't play in the game).
I suppose I was consciously wrong (but perhaps not sub-consciously) about something:
thinking that *CLM was truly the kind of coach he often portrays himself to be in words (e.g. "J Lee will help us win championships".) Last month, I would have wagered a bet, perhaps a few hundred bucks, that J. Lee would play in the NC game; in fact, I predicted (now wrongly) on TD that JL was going to be the surprise, and possibly, hero or co-hero w/JJ, of the NC game. Boy was I wrong, but really, that's what I get for trusting *CLM.
I don't trust him now, not a bit, despite his 13-1 and prior seasons combined. It is still a plausible explanation that anyone who played football and with enough charisma and people management skill (such as hiring Chavis and key assistant coaches) could have taken over from where Saban left off and done what *CLM has done so far. It is still a plausible possibility is all I am saying. Because his decisions during the latter part of last season and particularly during the NC game (barring some insane conspiracy theory unbeknownst to us all that points to some agenda) perpetuate this perception.
I suppose I was consciously wrong (but perhaps not sub-consciously) about something:
thinking that *CLM was truly the kind of coach he often portrays himself to be in words (e.g. "J Lee will help us win championships".) Last month, I would have wagered a bet, perhaps a few hundred bucks, that J. Lee would play in the NC game; in fact, I predicted (now wrongly) on TD that JL was going to be the surprise, and possibly, hero or co-hero w/JJ, of the NC game. Boy was I wrong, but really, that's what I get for trusting *CLM.
I don't trust him now, not a bit, despite his 13-1 and prior seasons combined. It is still a plausible explanation that anyone who played football and with enough charisma and people management skill (such as hiring Chavis and key assistant coaches) could have taken over from where Saban left off and done what *CLM has done so far. It is still a plausible possibility is all I am saying. Because his decisions during the latter part of last season and particularly during the NC game (barring some insane conspiracy theory unbeknownst to us all that points to some agenda) perpetuate this perception.
This post was edited on 1/21/12 at 9:25 am
Posted on 1/21/12 at 9:17 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:. But that's the whole problem, isn't it? You can't be either totally right or totally wrong about Miles. That's why there is so much heated debate about the guy. The minute he gets some momentum or appears to be going in the right direction he shits in his pants. After he fails miserably then he comes up with a huge win or game changer. It's impossible to predict the guy, and it droves people crazy.
I have been wrong about Les Miles several times.
At first I loved him, then wanted him gone, then loved him again, then went one season with a WTF expression on my face, then decided he was the best coach of all time, then he let me down in the NC game.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 9:30 am to RighteousTiger
quote:This. Oh, and I thought somehow *CLM might even surprise all of us (including Saban) by putting Mett into the mix somewhere in the game. Plus I thought LSU would win, or at least not lose in an embarrassing way. I was dead wrong on all those counts.
I was wrong to think that Miles would have a somewhat decent game plan and play both QBs in the NC game. I WAS DEAD WRONG.
This post was edited on 1/21/12 at 9:32 am
Posted on 1/21/12 at 9:50 am to siliconvalleytiger
I was wrong about Miles!
After seeing Rashaun Woods catch 7 TD passes in one game and seeing Les Miles "Let ER Rip" statement I thought we were getting an aggressive offensive minded coach. Obviously I was wrong.
After seeing Rashaun Woods catch 7 TD passes in one game and seeing Les Miles "Let ER Rip" statement I thought we were getting an aggressive offensive minded coach. Obviously I was wrong.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 10:02 am to Tiger Vision
Ok..I am turning it around...
I was 100% right when I said LSU would lose if JJ played the entire NCG game..
I was 100% right when I said LSU would lose if JJ played the entire NCG game..
Posted on 1/21/12 at 10:12 am to booky
quote:
Ok..I am turning it around...
And I was 100% right when I said Miles would find a way to reinsert JJ as the starter and that JJ would not lose his job as the starter no matter how bad he played.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 10:17 am to siliconvalleytiger
I was wrong about LSU winning the BCSNC game.
Because I was wrong about the coaches not making JJ the focal point of the offense and I was wrong the offense would break tendencies and be more aggressive including playing Lee at least two series.
Boy, was I wrong to think Miles was that guy when his body of work should have told me differently.
Because I was wrong about the coaches not making JJ the focal point of the offense and I was wrong the offense would break tendencies and be more aggressive including playing Lee at least two series.
Boy, was I wrong to think Miles was that guy when his body of work should have told me differently.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 10:28 am to jpguidry23
quote:
I thought we would win the National Championship vs BAMA, I was WRONG
This
Posted on 1/21/12 at 10:31 am to Santa Clause
quote:
I only feel sort of wrong about the JR/Flynn debate
Flynn had big wins over 3 top 5 defenses in his starts ( was it 14 starts?). Miami, VaTech and Ohio State all were ranked anywhere from 1st to 5th in the games Flynn started, yet LSU put up huge offensive numbers in those 3 games were Flynn started and played the whole game. In addition, people consistently overlooked that Flynn played his one starting Senior year having to overcome two seperate injuries throughout much of the 2007 year. As a bit of a running QB, he had a foot injury that hampered him for part of the season and then incurred a throwing arm shoulder injury later. And, the offense was hardly the issue in the 2 3OT games LSU lost (aside from not giving the ball to Charles Scott in the second half of the UK game until it was too late), as it was pretty bad defensive performances that allowed those games to get to OT in the first place. Bottom line is that most overlooked so much about Flynn.
This post was edited on 1/21/12 at 10:33 am
Posted on 1/21/12 at 10:48 am to 1BIGTigerFan
I was right in believing that many would turn this into an all-out Miles bashing thread. I was wrong in reading it anyway. I feel much less intelligent for having done so.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 10:52 am to siliconvalleytiger
quote:
I was wrong about the JR vs Flynn thing. I now think Matt Flynn would have been the better QB to invest in.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 10:52 am to Saintsfanbrav23
quote:You do realize that Maryland fired him after only one year, right?
I was wrong to think that Gary Crowton was the reason our offense hasn't been ranked in the top 25 nationally in a while. Boy, I was wrong.
Not sure where you're going with this statement.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 10:53 am to DP40
quote:You are a miserable person.
Boy, was I wrong to think Miles was that guy when his body of work should have told me differently.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 10:54 am to BT
quote:Right about what?
I was right about jlee. 3 yrs ago.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 11:01 am to siliconvalleytiger
I was wrong when I had respect for Satan!---back in the day....
Posted on 1/21/12 at 11:02 am to siliconvalleytiger
I was wrong about Josh Booty in early 1999. He was not the superstar I had imagined.
I was wrong about Cameron Vaughn at LB. He was not as good as I thought he was going to be.
I was wrong about Nick Saban. In hindsight, he was better than I gave him credit for when he was at LSU.
I was wrong about Les Miles. He was not the paragon of virtue I told people he was back in 2006 & 2007.
I was wrong about the state of the program in 2008. I didn't keep my eye on recruiting close enough, and I sort of assumed that the O- & D-lines would continue to be awesome, when in reality the pipeline had run dry.
I was wrong about Demetrius Hookfin going into his senior year. I didn't want him on the field anymore, but he turned out aight.
I also underestimated Whitworth a little bit.
I was wrong about Cameron Vaughn at LB. He was not as good as I thought he was going to be.
I was wrong about Nick Saban. In hindsight, he was better than I gave him credit for when he was at LSU.
I was wrong about Les Miles. He was not the paragon of virtue I told people he was back in 2006 & 2007.
I was wrong about the state of the program in 2008. I didn't keep my eye on recruiting close enough, and I sort of assumed that the O- & D-lines would continue to be awesome, when in reality the pipeline had run dry.
I was wrong about Demetrius Hookfin going into his senior year. I didn't want him on the field anymore, but he turned out aight.
I also underestimated Whitworth a little bit.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 11:03 am to bradwieser
Didn't Flynn win the big one?
Posted on 1/21/12 at 11:15 am to Saintsfanbrav23
quote:
I was wrong to think that Gary Crowton was the reason our offense hasn't been ranked in the top 25 nationally in a while. Boy, I was wrong.
I am still somewhat perplexed by Gary Crowton.
I do still think he deserves much credit for 2007, and much blame for 2009 & 2010. However, I was wrong to so casually dismiss all the "Les is meddling" people as conspiracy theorists back then. It's still a mystery as to how much meddling was actually going on. On the other hand, it's also pretty clear that Crowton was in fact terrible at getting his players to execute a basic fundamental offense. He was all about adding in a few new wrinkles, did nothing to teach the basics, and was apparently just a terrible, terrible communicator.
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