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re: LSU coach Ed Orgeron to receive contract extension
Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:08 am to The First Cut
Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:08 am to The First Cut
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Read the thread. I think he has three years left, hard to recruit players that won’t graduate high school in 2-3 years when you only have a 3-year contract. It gets used against you in recruiting.
His “contract” was NOT getting used against him. His piss poor coaching from his previous stints as head coach was being used against him. If a contract made this much difference, coaches would have 20 year contracts. These contracts are not about locking down recruits. They are about locking down coaches so other programs are less likely to come calling. No offense, but ain’t nobody coming calling for Ed O right now.
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Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:50 am to lakelanier
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All these good things come when there is program and head coaching stability. Unless a buyout is unreasonable, this is a thoughtful decision
Lsu had more uncertainty than ever in 2016 and we haulded in a good class.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:53 am to The First Cut
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Yeah, we should let our coach’s contract dwindle and hand rival coaches the tools to take our recruits. That’d be a wonderful plan. ?
The cure for that is winning football games and winning titles. How about letting a coach earn his safety at a program instead of manufacturing it with a contract.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:56 am to The First Cut
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The strategic acumen of these guys gives me full confidence that they’ll be on the fast track to being assistant crew chief at the Circus Burger.
Says the guy thats fine with manufacturing stability at a program instead of allowing the employee to earn it.
Your strategic acumen is non existent if you give raised and extensions to employees that havent earned it.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:57 am to Rickdaddy4188
Rick if you wanna know why someone like 0 was hired and getting an extension look no further than the fans defending him blindly. They know our base loves him nomatter what he does and they know 0 knows Louisiana ppl well and knows just how to lie to them and just what to say to keep them happy. Why spend the money and resources it takes to be serious about winning when you can hire a con man and the people will still come out in droves to celebrate mediocrity?
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:02 am to CaptainPanic
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He came into the Head Coaching role with zero talent on the field OR the sidelines,
His 1st nfl draft class had the second most nfl draft picks.
You do realize that you can look this shite up right?
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ruthless schedu
In 2 years O has beaten 2 sec teams with more than 8 wins.
2017 auburn
2018 Uga
In no way has our schedule been brutal.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:04 am to The First Cut
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You can choose to live in your ignorance, I can’t help that. The reason coaches keep getting extensions, is for recruiting.
Which is completely and utterly asinine.
Every recruit knows Orgeron will be here for the long haul if he's winning. If a recruit thinks he'll be let go without being renewed, then the recruit must think he's going to be a poor coach. In that case, no amount of extra years would matter to that recruit.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:14 am to The First Cut
Before I go nuts over this, I need to see the buyout structure first.
I think most would agree that the 2018 season probably cemented that O is here through 2020 at minimum, so hopefully with this extension the buyout after 2020 is lower than the buyout was after the 2018 season. If that makes sense.
IMO, the buyout needs to be under $10mil after the 2020 season and about $5-$6 mil after the 2021 season. Anything more and it puts LSU in a really bad position if things don’t go as planned the next 2 seasons.
The buyout structure is the most important part of any extension.
I think most would agree that the 2018 season probably cemented that O is here through 2020 at minimum, so hopefully with this extension the buyout after 2020 is lower than the buyout was after the 2018 season. If that makes sense.
IMO, the buyout needs to be under $10mil after the 2020 season and about $5-$6 mil after the 2021 season. Anything more and it puts LSU in a really bad position if things don’t go as planned the next 2 seasons.
The buyout structure is the most important part of any extension.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 1:16 am
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:20 am to Madking
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Rick if you wanna know why someone like 0 was hired and getting an extension look no further than the fans defending him blindly. They know our base loves him nomatter what he does and they know 0 knows Louisiana ppl well and knows just how to lie to them and just what to say to keep them happy. Why spend the money and resources it takes to be serious about winning when you can hire a con man and the people will still come out in droves to celebrate mediocrit
Im almost positive that they think O not being extended hurts recruiting more than losing to teams like Troy and getting beat by less talented teams.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:27 am to Tiger Nation 84
You don't have to. It is good for optics and recruiting. Just no insane increase in buy out. Otherwise well deserved.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:28 am to JPLSU1981
Agreed. Buy out needs to be reasonable. A good bonus and incentives and it will be fair deal all the way around.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:30 am to The First Cut
Yeah just leave the HC out to dry. That will convince them LSU is where they need to be LOL!
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:34 am to Rickdaddy4188
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In no way has our schedule been brutal.
It really hasn’t. So much of that was preseason ranking based. Both aurbirb and Miami were top 10 teams that finished unranked in the regular season.. think about that..
The sec as a whole is down more than ever the last two to three seasons, but now Mullen is at Florida and Fisher is at A&M. Coach o is winless against both coaches. Those programs should only get better.. O and E also can’t seem to even score against Alabama, but apparently that’s accepted now.
I really don’t get why alleva continues to do this. You’d think after the buyout of miles, and then the ridiculous buyout of a self admitted mistake from O with Canada, that LSU would have a bit more caution with extending anyone just yet.
It’s not even a his third full season as coach, he’s lost 7 games in 2 years. I just don’t get it, but perhaos the contact details may show us the reasoning.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:36 am to JPLSU1981
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IMO, the buyout needs to be under $10mil after the 2020 season and about $5-$6 mil after the 2021 season. Anything more and it puts LSU in a really bad position if things don’t go as planned the next 2 seasons.
It still boggles my mind that he coukd have a buyout anywhere near these numbers.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:45 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Im almost positive that they think O not being extended hurts recruiting more than losing to teams like Troy and getting beat by less talented teams.
The early signing period has helped with this stuff IMO. I also still believe, while being establish, that LSU recruits itself.
I agree, winning is much more important than jeopardizing the potential future. You win, recruits will follow, period. They are really selling out hard for O. I just don’t see the need right now.
Who would have thought that finally losing to A&M would get you an extension after just your 2nd season here.
what has happened to us. I thought there was no way Alleva would prematurely extend anyone right now. Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:47 am to The First Cut
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"Coaching stability," answered Surtain's father Patrick Surtain when asked in various media interviews why his son chose Alabama over LSU.
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So are you saying that Alleva needed to extend O after year 1 to make the Surtains more confident O wasn’t going anywhere?
Posted on 1/31/19 at 4:37 am to The First Cut
Good. What has he done that hasn't proven he will continue to be successful at LSU? He Will continue to have success...and more of it.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 6:11 am to Cajunomics
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I thought there was no way Alleva would prematurely extend anyone right now.
An extension at this point is just as helpful to Alleva as it is Orgeron.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 6:17 am to JPLSU1981
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The buyout structure is the most important part of any extension.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 6:23 am to The First Cut
He completely deserves it because he has the program on solid footing.
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