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re: LSU coach Ed Orgeron to receive contract extension

Posted on 1/31/19 at 6:25 am to
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 1/31/19 at 6:25 am to
He inherited a program coming off 17 consecutive 8+ win seasons. It was already on solid footing. He was hired to compete for, and occasionally win, championships.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 6:27 am
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63662 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 6:25 am to
Three losses! Woo hoo! Extend the man’s contract!
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 1/31/19 at 7:09 am to
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He completely deserves it because he has the program on solid footing.


He was still under contract for 3 more years. Let's stop acting like he was hanging in the wind.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
16712 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 8:00 am to
Just checking in to see if anyone's on suicide watch.

I remain on the fence with O. Since his current contract runs through 2021 I'm not sure why this was necessary. Considering his salary is near the bottom of the SEC and LSU's record has been near the top I can understand him getting paid more, but extended seems very premature.

I will say I think the direction of the program is good right now, but it's going to be interesting to see if it remains upward as Jimbo, Mullen, Moorhead, Pruitt and others get established.
Posted by Spotswoode
Mount Rushmore
Member since Aug 2018
1594 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 8:06 am to
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If a contract made this much difference, coaches would have 20 year contracts.

This is not a very well thought out point. How would a 20 year contract make any difference to a four year player? Players want to know that the guys who recruited them, the guys with whom they have the relationships, the guys who promised them things will be there for the duration of the players' stays. A four year contract doesn't guarantee the coach won't die or move on for other opportunities, but it minimizes the biggest risk - that the coach will be fired.

I'm not advocating for the extension. And I'm not sure how big a factor this is.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63662 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 8:09 am to
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A four year contract doesn't guarantee the coach won't die or move on for other opportunities, but it minimizes the biggest risk - that the coach will be fired.


This right here is an admission that you don’t know anything about contracts. Moreover, it exhibits how 17 and 18 year old kids sure as hell don’t understand them. Finally, it shows what a bullshite argument the recruiting point is.
Posted by TigerCliff777
Member since Feb 2013
4676 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 8:15 am to
Ed Orgeron to receive contract extension

As a LSU football fan that understands the way it is

Do you not extend your Head Coach after 2 seasons with the way things are in recruiting cycles

You are recruiting 4 years out against the best of the best - family needs to know that LSU is behind CEO right now not based on 2019 but based on 2022. You guys understand this - you are just farting in bed just because you can !!!

Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 8:18 am to
Well deserved. Coach O is assembling a great group of coaches and recruiting at a very high level. I can't imagine anyone being opposed.
Posted by Whiskeyjack Del Rio
Duval
Member since Jan 2019
159 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 8:21 am to
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I remain on the fence with O. Since his current contract runs through 2021 I'm not sure why this was necessary.


Because the Surtains didn’t want their son to come here.
Posted by Whiskeyjack Del Rio
Duval
Member since Jan 2019
159 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 8:24 am to
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Do you not extend your Head Coach after 2 seasons with the way things are in recruiting cycles


Was Miles extended in 2006, after winning a Sugar Bowl?

Was Saban extended in 2001, after winning the West?

There is no maxim that says you must extend for a specific reason. There are no schools doing this.

Did Herman get extended by Texas? Did Mullen get extended by UF? No, because there’s no reason to extend someone under contract through 2021.
Posted by bencoleman
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Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 8:27 am to
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. It's not arguable whether failing to get an extension is used as a negative in recruiting. It 100 percent is



It absolutely is. This is why coaches are extended. Whether a coach deserves it may be arguable but the ADs logic in doing so isn't.
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22628 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 8:29 am to
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Do any of the down voters want our recruiting to slip?
And our QB situation is great? Take the blinders off. It's average at best. How many years do we have to go with this drought? JB is a B+ at best. And no lectures on the one-off Fiesta Bowl performance.
Posted by Whiskeyjack Del Rio
Duval
Member since Jan 2019
159 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 8:35 am to
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Do any of the down voters want our recruiting to slip? Do we want potential transfers to choose other programs? Do we want to retain ours coaching staff and attract new hires? All these good things come when there is program and head coaching stability. Unless a buyout is unreasonable, this is a thoughtful decision.


An extension does not have any bearing on any of those things.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
16712 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 8:38 am to
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It absolutely is. This is why coaches are extended. Whether a coach deserves it may be arguable but the ADs logic in doing so isn't.

Well if Alleva is extending O as a vote of confidence he needs to go "all in". I've stated this before. He has to let O expand his analysts with big names. Bama just added Mike Stoops as an analyst. Now he may have done poorly as DC at OK, but he probably will be very valuable as an analyst. So it's not just getting the same number of analysts as teams like Bama and Ohio St, it's getting the same quality. Stoops is a former DC and HC. Of course O has to find and recommend the quality guys so it's on him too.
Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
32244 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 8:42 am to
We already have a potent staff. Heck, we had the best OC in the country serving as our TE coach, how’s that for talent?
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30996 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 8:47 am to
Are you implying we aren’t paying enough for analysts, or that Alleva just doesn’t want the big names involved for some other reason?
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:13 am to
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y. Stoops is a former DC and HC.


Stoops would never be able to work for LSU under any capacity but I agree that coach O needs to continue to add quality analysts as the budget allows.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33963 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:28 am to
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He came into the Head Coaching role with zero talent on the field OR the sidelines, a ruthless schedule, huge wins against SEC rivals, and turned LSU into a true recruiting powerhouse.



For anyone wondering why the "negatigers" start up in these threads, this is an example of why.

You can make your point without outright lying. But I understand how it works here, you get to lie and call it being a good fan.
Posted by DesenselessPlayer
Member since Oct 2018
299 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:32 am to
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This is why coaches are extended. Whether a coach deserves it may be arguable but the ADs logic in doing so isn't.



Coaches are not extended because of recruiting. They are extended to keep other programs from poaching them.

Again, to think that any of these kids are choosing where they go to college based on the length of the head coaches contract is just idiotic.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33963 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 10:02 am to
The way I see it is that LSU is set up in prime position to win the SEC West and nab a playoff spot.

We have a senior QB, two stud RBs, a prodigy for passing coordinator, an o-line that returns everyone, added to what Aranda can do on defense, vs a young SEC. Go and win the SEC West. That's the best way to ensure that we aren't negatively recruited against.
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