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re: LSU and Florida may discontinue playing each other every year
Posted on 3/5/12 at 1:33 pm to Thunder Tiger
Posted on 3/5/12 at 1:33 pm to Thunder Tiger
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Get over my jealously?
you are clearly jealous or "butt hurt" over "bigger" name programs like USC and Alabama.
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As I recall the computer factors favored us and/or OU over USC in 2003, and it was very close, and we and OU got in. Then the next year the computer factors were de-emphasized. I guess that was just a coincidence, huh
No it was done on purpose, but not as you seem to think because "media" darling USC got left out, but rather because the team ranked #1 in both traditional polls was left out. That was the outrage leaving out #1, it just so happened to be USC, but would have been the same if it was anyone. The computer formulas were redundant anyway.
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Bama should've been at least behind Boise after 11/5, and possibly even Oregon who'd looked pretty damn good after we beat them. Happy now?
at least you put names to it, but I have a hard time believing you'd feel that way if the tables were reversed or even if LSU was not involved. Most people would howl in outrage if Boise was ranked ahead of LSU if we had just lost to Alabama by 3 in OT. And Bama's schedule was clearly much better than Boise to that point. a nd Oregon still lost to a the same team as they did, only by a greater margin. At that point I don't think they had even beaten a ranked team and certainly no one near as good as Arkansas.
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If you don't think the media and voters have their darlings I got news for you - you're the delusional one.
The "media darling" changes from year to year and LSU has gotten plenty of media love over the last 8-9 years. The media loves good teams and coaches and they do go overboard with hyperbole. Right now its Saban and Bama. A few years ago it was USC, before that Miami and FSU, before that Nebraska. They really follow the bandwagon, more than lead it.
The trouble is people like you want them to view things the way you do as an LSU fan. I bet a lot of Bama fans felt they were dissed by the media all year. anything they say good about LSU, you will say they should say it. anything you disagree with you will saay they are biased against LSU same if they say something good about Bama, you will say its biased, but if you were honest and unbiased, Bama deserves a lot of the praise they have been receiving, going 48-5 with 2 NC in a 4 year span is praise worthy.
This post was edited on 3/5/12 at 1:35 pm
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Posted on 3/5/12 at 1:34 pm to alajones
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I didn't see the point.
The point is money. Clearly. Nothing is more obvious.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 1:42 pm to H-Town Tiger
So wrong. #1 got left out because the media/vote for your favorite team was full of bias and the unbiased computers had the two best teams in the championship game. Since biases assholes make the decisions they changed the correct method of doing things so that in the future favorite teams could be voted in again. Wala that is what we have today. Votes should be removed from the system altogether.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:00 pm to Tiger Authority
quote:I understand the point is more money, but was the SEC losing money? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And should Texas A&M and Mizzou choose more money for the sake of being less competetive?
The point is money. Clearly. Nothing is more obvious.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:44 pm to omegaman66
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So wrong. #1 got left out because the media/vote for your favorite team was full of bias and the unbiased computers had the two best teams in the championship game. Since biases assholes make the decisions they changed the correct method of doing things so that in the future favorite teams could be voted in again. Wala that is what we have today.
Ding, ding ding!
Posted on 3/5/12 at 3:26 pm to made4lsu
So are we getting Texas a&m every year to renew that old time rivalry? they should be in the west right?
Posted on 3/5/12 at 5:49 pm to Nuts4LSU
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And "so be it" is not the appropriate response to the observation that Alabama is being given an advantage.
Alabama was not being given an advantage when they were given Tennessee as their permanent in 1992. UT was, and can be again, a very strong program. You can't just look at the last two seasons and say UT sucks so Bama has an advantage.
And I say "so be it" because life, and sports, isn't always fair. If we have a harder schedule than Bama then we just have to deal with it and beat whoever is on that schedule including Bama, which is exactly what we did last season. And then Bama got a second chance at us, proving my point that things aren't always fair.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 6:08 pm to omegaman66
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So wrong. #1 got left out because the media/vote for your favorite team was full of bias and the unbiased computers had the two best teams in the championship game
at the idea the computers can't be biased. They are formulas created by individuals that in some cases don't reveal their methodology. The polls while flawed are at least a consensus of 60-70 voters, whose ballots are published. quote:
Since biases assholes make the decisions they changed the correct method of doing things so that in the future favorite teams could be voted in again
You guys are so insecure and stupid its really kind of sad. Why is the "media" writ large biased in favor of USC over OU. As Hot Carl pointed out, the daily beat writers do not have a financial stake in the TV deals, so why should they care if USC goes over OU.
Next the media poll was taken out of the BCS equatation after that year you morons. The people that run the BCS are "the Media" its the 6 BCS conferences. They are the ones that changed the formula. Are you saying the BCS is biased in favor of USC?
Last prehaps you guys can explain, how, given this tremendous bias in favor of USC and a new system that as you say allows for "favorite teams" to just be put in the BCS CG, why USC was left out in 2007 and 2008, despite having the same record as coincidentially, LSU in 2007 and OU in 2008? Why was USC a media darling in 2003 and not 2008 if its all bias and has nothing to do with the quality of their team
You want to see bias, go look in the mirror, you are the biased a-hole and you sound like a giant crybaby.
This post was edited on 3/5/12 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 3/5/12 at 6:11 pm to Yeauxheaux
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And I say "so be it" because life, and sports, isn't always fair. If we have a harder schedule than Bama then we just have to deal with it and beat whoever is on that schedule including Bama
this is a nice setiment Jack Handy, but the real point is not that the any team has a harder schedule, since as you point out that can fluxuate (though we did start with 2 permanent opponents and Bama's other one was Vandy
) The issue I have, is we don't play the other 5 teams in the East often enough. We never got to play P Manning and he was a 4 year starter at UT.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 6:38 pm to alajones
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I understand the point is more money, but was the SEC losing money? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And should Texas A&M and Mizzou choose more money for the sake of being less competetive?
Well, if other conferences get bigger and bigger and make more and more money, and we're still sitting at 12 making the same, we're not taking advantage of any competitive advantages. This is an arms race, and we didn't want the entire state of Texas to be off the map because they all bolted for the Pac 12. Getting aTm in the SEC is a good thing in the long-run for the conference.
Well, aTm believes that they'll become more competitive instate with the other teams in TX because they're in the SEC, so it works both ways.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 7:08 pm to H-Town Tiger
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but the real point is not that the any team has a harder schedule
Not according to most, including Joe Alleva, who want Florida off the schedule because they're typically a perennial power in the east.
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The issue I have, is we don't play the other 5 teams in the East often enough. We never got to play P Manning and he was a 4 year starter at UT.
I agree this is a problem and it's the main reason I'd rather the SEC not go to 16. But that's what you sign up for when you want to expand your conference but not your conference schedule. I'm not sure how I feel about going to 9 games but it might be the best option.
This post was edited on 3/5/12 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 3/5/12 at 7:30 pm to H-Town Tiger
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The issue I have, is we don't play the other 5 teams in the East often enough. We never got to play P Manning and he was a 4 year starter at UT
exactly...or Bo, or Herschel, etc.
I still think the no divisions, 3-5-5 rotation, take the top 2 teams and let them play for the SEC title would work. you keep the rivalries, you keep the 8 game schedule, and you have a true rotation where you play EVERY other team in the conference within a 4 year period...nice and neat.
And i know the whole "conferences with 12 teams or more must have divisions" thing exists, but Slive could get that changed on his lunch break.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 9:15 pm to Yeauxheaux
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Alabama was not being given an advantage when they were given Tennessee as their permanent in 1992. UT was, and can be again, a very strong program. You can't just look at the last two seasons and say UT sucks so Bama has an advantage.
Florida has been a consistently stronger program than Tennessee for 20 years.
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And I say "so be it" because life, and sports, isn't always fair.
No, it isn't, but that's no reason to intentionally inject more unfairness into it. The point of most sports is to make it as fair as possible, knowing it won't always be completely fair.
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If we have a harder schedule than Bama then we just have to deal with it and beat whoever is on that schedule including Bama, which is exactly what we did last season.
And they can beat one ranked team the whole year and still play in the NC game.
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Bama got a second chance at us, proving my point that things aren't always fair.
Of course they're not. Alabama was gifted an opportunity they didn't deserve and didn't earn. And typical of Alabama fans, they are actually proud of being given what they didn't deserve. But what can you say about a program that bases its entire identity on decades of cheating to win? That doesn't really have anything to do with the SEC schedules going forward, but I guess it's been addressed in the thread so it's fair game.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 10:59 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Florida has been a consistently stronger program than Tennessee for 20 years.
True, but what about before that? Florida wasn't much to speak of before Spurrier so it wasn't out of the question to say that UT was as strong or stronger a program than Florida in 1992. I don't think the difference in the two is big enough to say that Bama was given an advantage, which was my point.
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No, it isn't, but that's no reason to intentionally inject more unfairness into it. The point of most sports is to make it as fair as possible, knowing it won't always be completely fair.
I don't think it was intended to be unfair to anybody. Just that the conference was trying to preserve annual matchups between rivals which I have no problem with.
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And they can beat one ranked team the whole year and still play in the NC game.
Not sure what point you're trying to make here, but I'll say this: I don't like to make excuses when we lose. So if we have a hard schedule and drop some games then it's nobodies fault but our own. Even though I thought we got screwed having to play Bama again and even though we had a better record and split the season series 1-1, we should've won that game if we wanted to be national champions but we didn't.
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Of course they're not. Alabama was gifted an opportunity they didn't deserve and didn't earn. And typical of Alabama fans, they are actually proud of being given what they didn't deserve. But what can you say about a program that bases its entire identity on decades of cheating to win? That doesn't really have anything to do with the SEC schedules going forward, but I guess it's been addressed in the thread so it's fair game.
Agreed. And it's always fair game to bash on Bama.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 3:32 pm to made4lsu
dont be scerd. f fla
Posted on 3/12/12 at 7:14 pm to TigerFever
This is pretty sad, I loved this game. At least make Florida be the one's to initiate the back out
This post was edited on 3/12/12 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 3/12/12 at 8:59 pm to 1fairbank
Both the LSU and Fla Ath Depts want out(been wanting it for a while now), and rightfully so.
Times change, with a newer deeper conference, and with Saban now at Bama, it's only fair to LSU they be not burdened with Fla.
As of current, Bama(Tenn) and Ark(USCe) have been having their ways with their traditionals, while LSU and Fla have rarely reeled off many in a row vs the other foe, since the SOS era ended.
Time for a fair and balanced schedule, and with Tenn's in-state talent issues coupled to Saban residing in T-Town, that isn't gonna happen anytime soon in that "rivalry"..
Let fair and balanced divisional schedules pit the best in the East vs West in Atlanta, it's long overdue..
Those in favor of LSU-Fla staying intact think it's just sheer coincidence that the two powers have never squared-off in Atlanta some two decades later since the SECCG's inception? Wake Up!!
Times change, with a newer deeper conference, and with Saban now at Bama, it's only fair to LSU they be not burdened with Fla.
As of current, Bama(Tenn) and Ark(USCe) have been having their ways with their traditionals, while LSU and Fla have rarely reeled off many in a row vs the other foe, since the SOS era ended.
Time for a fair and balanced schedule, and with Tenn's in-state talent issues coupled to Saban residing in T-Town, that isn't gonna happen anytime soon in that "rivalry"..
Let fair and balanced divisional schedules pit the best in the East vs West in Atlanta, it's long overdue..
Those in favor of LSU-Fla staying intact think it's just sheer coincidence that the two powers have never squared-off in Atlanta some two decades later since the SECCG's inception? Wake Up!!
Posted on 3/12/12 at 9:05 pm to DA
I'm fine with that, the SEC is deep enough that our rotating opponent will provide a good game. I wouldnt mind seeing/traveling to new places a bit more often.
Posted on 3/13/12 at 8:47 am to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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Those in favor of LSU-Fla staying intact think it's just sheer coincidence that the two powers have never squared-off in Atlanta some two decades later since the SECCG's inception? Wake Up!!
The primary reason we've never met in the SECCG is that we've rarely both been good enough to win our division in the same year. 2006 was about the only time we both had division-winning caliber teams, and yes, that year, playing them kept us out of the SECCG. But that's once in 20 years of divisional play. The other 19 times we didn't meet in the SECCG had little or nothing to do with the fact that we played each other.
Posted on 3/13/12 at 9:08 am to Nuts4LSU
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2006 was about the only time we both had division-winning caliber teams,
2001, Florida doinked the last game to Tenn (lucky for us) or we would have played in the SEC CG.
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The other 19 times we didn't meet in the SECCG had little or nothing to do with the fact that we played each other
1996 LSU lost to Florida and Alabama, both LSU and Bama were 6-2, so they went to the SEC CG on the tie breaker. A win over some other SEC E and we play Fla in the SEC CG.
2007 Fla lost to LSU and finished 1 game behind UGA and Tenn in SEC. They beat UT, but lost to UGA, so not sure how the 3 team tie break works out.
2005 Florida lost to LSU and finished 1 game behind UGA, who they beat, in SEC E.
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