re: LSU All-time basketball team vs. anyone else's

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Walt Frazier isn't 6'7" and he couldn't jump out of the gym. There's a huge difference between the huge athletic guards that play today and the smaller guards of the past. Pete Maravich was a genius at playing basketball and way ahead of his time but his scoring skills would not translate into the numbers he put up back then in today's game. He'd still be a stud IMO because he played closer to today's game than most players in his era but against a more modern player he'd come down to earth.

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Walt was 6'4" and could dunk a basketball. He's also one of the NBA all-time great defensive players. Pete dominated a younger Frazier when Pete was on the downhill side of his NBA career. Dropped 68 points on the all-star Frazier and the Knicks on 2/25/1977. I have zero doubt a college Pistol would drive a college MJ insane. MJ didn't shoot the same percentage in college as he did in the NBA. He didn't improve his shooting and his defense til he got to the NBA in fact. College MJ would probably get embarassed by Pete. There's a video above of a prime MJ trying to stop Chris Jackson that someone else posted. CJ was spectacular at LSU. If you take CJ's ability and multiply it times 2 you get Pete Maravich.

Neither Lew nor Wilt would stop Shaq in the post, they'd have to play hack-a-shaq. Shaq would muscle either one of them down then turn and dunk. Shaq was way too athletic and strong for either of them. see this:

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*around the 50 second mark it shows Shaq jumping OVER THE TOP of a 6'10" center,catching a rebound with one hand and slamming it back thru all at one time. I was at that game. The video doesn't do it justice.

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Neither Lew nor Wilt would stop Shaq in the post, they'd have to play hack-a-shaq. Shaq would muscle either one of them down then turn and dunk. Shaq was way too athletic and strong for either of them. see this:

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I still think both were more dominant in their time than Shaq was in his (in college), which is really IMO what the comparisons are about. And I think you're selling Chamberlain a bit short on athleticism...he was a phenomenal athlete and wasn't that much smaller than Shaq. Ran track at Kansas. I think the strength argument holds water with Jabbar...less with Wilt.

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Did you even look at the UNC list I posted? They have 3X or more of the "superstars" that LSU has produced.

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It's not about quantity...it's the other q word.

Give me Shaq, the greatest center in collegiate history, over Eric Montross and Antoine Jamison combined.

With the exception of MJ, UNC has never put out a guard more talented than Pistol and Chris Jackson. No way. Don't give me your Hubert Davis and Ed Cota bullshite, either.

Yeah, our starting 5 could take anyone's.

If LSU all-time played Florida's back to back championship teams and Duke's '91 and '92 teams, we'd win by 30, on all accounts.

At the top of the key, who would you want with the ball in his hands- Pistol Pete or Vince? I would take Pete 100 out of 100 times without a doubt!

i didnt say Vince Carter is better than Pistol. That's fricking stupid

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It's not about quantity...it's the other q word.

Give me Shaq, the greatest center in collegiate history, over Eric Montross and Antoine Jamison combined.

With the exception of MJ, UNC has never put out a guard more talented than Pistol and Chris Jackson. No way. Don't give me your Hubert Davis and Ed Cota bullshite, either.

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Walter Davis was up there and proved it as a pro. He certainly had a more prolific pro career than Chris Jackson.

BTW, you're about the only person in the thread that puts Shaq anywhere near the greatest college center in history. There are guys named Alcindor, Hayes, Hakeem, Walton, Russell and Chamberlain that are ahead of him on that list.

It's pretty hard to knock North Carolina basketball. Unlike Duke they put a ton of players into the pros that turn into stars in the NBA.

BTW, the Chris Jackson vs. the Bulls video. He had a great game. How many great games did MJ have? You tell me who the dominate player was between the two and who has the rings to prove it.

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G Pete Maravich
G Chris Jackson
F Bob Pettit
F Rudy Macklin
C Shaquille O'Neal

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This team wouldn't work well with Pete jacking up shots. No one else would get enough touches to make an impact.

That is a great all-time 5, but really the Pistol, Chris Jackson, and Shaq - Shaq would never see the ball. You can't really compare players from different eras - for example, how would Bob Petit do playing an up tempo team like UNC could put together.

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This team wouldn't work well with Pete jacking up shots. No one else would get enough touches to make an impact.

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agreed