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re: LSU Admits it Altered Chavis Contract
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:05 pm to PennyPacker
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:05 pm to PennyPacker
quote:My ethics are fine.
Where did you get your ethics compass??? By altering the contract, LSU (the Athletic Department) just told the world that they are UNETHICAL!!!!!!!!!!!
This does not dismiss the fact that Chavis may have also acted unethical.
However, trying to sugar coat or justify either act is pure BS. Whoever altered, approved, and knew about this should be fired. NO EXCUSES!!
It is not unethical to alter a contract. I can take a signed contract and strike through any word or clause I want. I can alter dates and terms. There are many reasons why a party might alter its copy of a contract. That is not unethical.
What is unethical is to attempt to enforce an unauthorized alteration.
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:06 pm to Mac
And those changes to the buyout language are material. It basically gives LSU an extra 60 days (30 days on each end of the time line).
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:07 pm to RainChance0
quote:
It matters when you alter it, then sue for breach of contract pertaining to the part that you altered.
I hope nobody that fricking stupid
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:07 pm to moneyg
This suite is entirely about a buyout clause. The buyout clause is what LSU altered to make it more favorable to LSU. From the article:
quote:
Ewing changed the language regarding the buyout dates from “between 24 months to 36 months” to “between the first day of the 36th month remaining to the last day of the 24th month remaining.” He also changed language in the buyout dates from “between 11 months and 23 months” to “between the first day of the 23rd month remaining to the last day of the 12th month.”
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:08 pm to Pax Regis
So Alleva basically ran off our best coach last year. 
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:10 pm to Pax Regis
quote:
So the administration changed the buyout clause after Chavis signed the agreement.
Why couldn't they do that with Les Miles' contract?!?!?!?!?
:banghead:Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:10 pm to TigerGman
I'm going to go out on a limb and say he read the article with direct quotes from the court filings?
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:12 pm to sicboy
Folks, we are entering the dark days - eg 1990 - 1999
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:13 pm to Salviati
This has to be one of the more pedantic posts I've ever seen on this site, and that's saying a lot.
Yes I think we can all agree that someone can take their copy of the contract and mark it up how we they want. Hell they can write the next great American novel on it. But you cannot enforce any of it as a contract against the other party without their agreement. The basis of a contract is mutual agreement. You cannot claim that someone agreed to language you wrote in on your own without their agreement which is typically and historically signified by a signature applied after the entire document is completed.
Yes I think we can all agree that someone can take their copy of the contract and mark it up how we they want. Hell they can write the next great American novel on it. But you cannot enforce any of it as a contract against the other party without their agreement. The basis of a contract is mutual agreement. You cannot claim that someone agreed to language you wrote in on your own without their agreement which is typically and historically signified by a signature applied after the entire document is completed.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:13 pm to Salviati
quote:
My ethics are fine. It is not unethical to alter a contract. I can take a signed contract and strike through any word or clause I want. I can alter dates and terms. There are many reasons why a party might alter its copy of a contract. That is not unethical. What is unethical is to attempt to enforce an unauthorized alteration
Since the suit is specifically about the buyout provision and since LSU admitted to altering the buyout provision that would mean they altered and didn't inform Chavis of the changes. How is that not unethical?
I will say this, let someone in a business situation do this to you then I would like to know how you really feel.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:14 pm to PennyPacker
quote:
“The ‘alteration’ issue is nothing more than an attempt to divert attention from the real issues,” Barton said. “LSU and Mr. Chavis had a valid employment agreement from 2009 until he left the University at the end of 2014. There were multiple amendments to the employment agreement during that time, including the 2012 amendment that Mr. Chavis claims was altered. Importantly, the 2012 contract was ratified in 2013 by a Memorandum of Understanding that extended Mr. Chavis’ contract with LSU by another year, through the end of 2015.”
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:14 pm to Pax Regis
I haven't been an advocate of firing Alleva until this very moment. This is flat out embarrassing...
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:15 pm to PennyPacker
Unilaterally changing contract terms is definitely unethical. You also cannot make them hold up in court.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:15 pm to Pax Regis
Apparently the changes didn't amount to much. It was simply rewording a couple of things in order to clarify things
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:15 pm to Mac
quote:
Through a public records request, LSU obtained a letter of agreement for Chavis to become the new defensive coordinator at Texas A&M. The letter was sent to Chavis on Dec. 27 and was signed in December, though the exact day was redacted. LSU lost 31-28 to Notre Dame in the Music City Bowl, which took place on Dec. 30.
Can someone that is more up to date on all of this confirm if this is inside or outside of the original terms of the agreement that were in the agreement?
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:15 pm to zsav77
quote:Let me put this in simple terms for you.quote:No shite. The point was that LSU can't alter the contract, then sue Chavis for breach of contract when he didn't agree to the altered contract to begin with.
Of course you can sue over an altered contract
Was there a contract that Chavis signed? Yes. Kraft said there was a contract. That contract is enforceable.
It does not matter at all if LSU struck through every clause in that contract and re-wrote every provision in it. The original version of the contract is enforceable.
Was the contract altered? It seems that LSU admitted that it altered the contract.
However, you are assuming that LSU is attempting to enforce the contracted as altered. You don't know that.
LSU might be saying, "Yes, we altered the contract, but Chavis consented to the changes."
OR LSU might be saying, "Yes, we altered the contract, but we are seeking to enforce it as it was originally written."
The article is not clear at all.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:17 pm to EarthwormJim
Hey look LSU's lawyer actually makes a comment that tries to explain how this is not that big a deal. Seems smart to me.
Not sure it excuses the change because Chavis cannot ratify a change he was never aware of, but at least it is something.
Not sure it excuses the change because Chavis cannot ratify a change he was never aware of, but at least it is something.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:19 pm to ibleedprplngld
quote:He didn't alter it. It was altered by "Mark Ewing, LSU’s senior association athletic director for business, or someone at Ewing’s “discretion”".
I haven't been an advocate of firing Alleva until this very moment. This is flat out embarrassing...
Of course Alleva should have never filed the lawsuit if he knew about the change...
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:22 pm to mmcgrath
chalk it up to errors and omissions...thats what we call it in real estate at least. 
Fun day to be a Tiger!!!!!
Fun day to be a Tiger!!!!!
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:23 pm to bencoleman
Yeah, I think we should always wait to see these things play out before jumping to too many conclusions.
I still don't like how any of it went down by either side.
I still don't like how any of it went down by either side.
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