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re: Love to hear from Kelly diehards

Posted on 11/16/24 at 11:57 pm to
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
65297 posts
Posted on 11/16/24 at 11:57 pm to
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J2thaROC


It's 12 am and you're writing books on here knighting for BK
Posted by la_birdman
Northern GA via Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31961 posts
Posted on 11/16/24 at 11:58 pm to
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it seems many here would rather melt and rage.



How do you think fans should feel? This is three in a row of getting your butt handed to you WITH a week off in the middle.


In the last 10 quarters, LSU has scored three, THREE touchdowns.


You think fans should be patient with that?


quote:

I just try to think logically about the matter



By all means, use logic to defend the OL getting whooped again. Explain logically why fans should be patient with what we've been seeing for the last three weeks.

Posted by 5Alive
With Your Moms
Member since Jul 2009
7849 posts
Posted on 11/16/24 at 11:59 pm to
13 players don’t make a program clown. We have glaring holes in the program that we tried to fill with mofos that had no business in an lsu uniform. Ed left this program a mess and it’s gonna take time to fill those holes with the right guys and also develop them. We can be upset all we want but if u can’t see the talent deficiency idk what to tell un
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
65297 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 12:00 am to
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Ed left this program a mess and it’s gonna take time to fill those holes with the right guys and also develop them. We can be upset all we want but if u can’t see the talent deficiency idk what to tell un


LSU has the #7 ranked blue-chip talent percentage in the country. What positions specifically are we lacking talent and why weren't players brought in to fix them?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66509 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 12:01 am to
It means a hell of a lot clown and we’re currently 8th nationally in talent ranking so keep throwing out those canned excuses that were invented by other morons on this board but you’ll never escape the facts.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66509 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 12:03 am to
Love how these idiots just pretend like this is year 1 for Kelly. I don’t even think they know what they’re saying, they just repeat stuff they see here when it sounds good to them. Problem is when you’re starved for excuses you start to run with any crazy thing then you just look crazy.
Posted by IndianMoundFireworks
Member since Oct 2021
821 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 12:18 am to
I was a big fan of the Kelly hire really for the same big reasons anyone would be - if he could make a BCS championship game at ND then I believed he could do it at LSU. That seemed to make sense right?
Year 1 10 wins and a Bama win and SEC championship game berth who wouldn’t be happy? His best season easily.
Year 2 - 10 win season. Heisman winner. Yet my opinion has soured. It’s hard to stomach knowing if we didn’t have the worst defense on planet earth we should have won a natty this year. But shite we will take it right? Heisman winner. 10 wins. Fired Matt house and made all these coaching upgrades. Nice.
Year 3. We get jack and shite from the portal. Hello Kelly anyone home? wtf. We lose to a bad USC squad for the third opener loss in a row. BUT the Ole Miss game is awesome - I went and shite we had a good time. Maybe the sky isn’t falling? Oh Nevermind then comes 3 losses in a row which are all bad and on national television prime time and for two of them our holes are absolutely stretched. And it ain’t over yet folks.
Final thoughts - I think we would be in a much better position had Kelly not made catastrophic staff decisions when he first came on board. We are still suffering the consequences of Brian Polian as recruiting coordinator, of not retaining Baker and Raymond and Moffitt. Is it possible to turn around? Appears maybe if the recruits don’t all jump ship while they’re watching us on national television get absolutely railed in the poop chute.
Why did we do jack and shite in the portal this year? It worked his first year. Why not this year? Who fricked that up and why?
I’m finally on board with Kelly seeming clueless - how could he think Nuss was just going to be amazing tonight? Why did he say that? Is he delusional?
I don’t know if Kelly can recover. And his 10 mil a year contract seems absurd now. But what’s the alternative? Who do you get who you think can win a natty for less than that? shite Stoops at Kentucky makes 9! frick!
This post was edited on 11/17/24 at 12:19 am
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66745 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 12:18 am to
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You think fans should be patient with that?


I mean you have no choice.
Posted by la_birdman
Northern GA via Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31961 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 12:30 am to
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I mean you have no choice.



Not what I asked. Let me put it this way, ARE YOU patient with what you've seen in the last three games?


Really asking.


Don't tell me you have no choice. Sure you do. Are you ok or aren't you with what you have seen in the last three weeks from this team? If you are, why? If not, why?
This post was edited on 11/17/24 at 12:32 am
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66745 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 12:34 am to
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Not what I asked. Let me put it this way, ARE YOU patient with what you've seen in the last three games?


I mean, to be honest, I think a lot of the issues are due to a lack of talent, especially on the defensive side.

Kelly is responsible for that because his initial defensive hires were a failure, however that situation seems to have been rectified.

There's no reason to just constantly make vague complaints about coaching, none of us are qualified to make those judgements.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
17049 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 12:42 am to
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There's no reason to just constantly make vague complaints about coaching, none of us are qualified to make those judgements.

I mean the results fall at the feet of the coaches. Period. Whether it’s the fact that they aren’t getting good enough players, aren’t implementing the correct scheme, aren’t developing the players correctly, etc I don’t really care.

Brian Kelly is doing worse in year 3, with more of the players that he has recruited and developed, than he did in year 1, with players that he didn’t recruit or develop. Thats a fact. And I don’t see why fans shouldn’t complain about that.
This post was edited on 11/17/24 at 12:43 am
Posted by MasterKnight
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2016
2314 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 12:46 am to
To answer your question should fans be patient and the answer is yes. Look at how many programs fired a coach only for the program to be set back years. Some never recovered ( Nebraska) while others took over a decade (Texas). If Kelly was not recruiting well and the team not performing, that is a different story.

Last year the defense as atrocious but the offense was remarkable. LSU won 10 games. This year the defense is better while the offense has stalled.

I don't see the OL getting whooped tonight. They ran the ball very well. The OL was pushing the DL and Durham was getting nearly 6 yards a pop. Yes there were a lot of sacks but that came from blitzes against a QB that is a statue and the interior of the line playing new guard. A healthy Dellinger would have made a difference I feel.

Posted by la_birdman
Northern GA via Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31961 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 12:47 am to
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There's no reason to just constantly make vague complaints about coaching,






What?


You just admitted


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Kelly is responsible for that because his initial defensive hires were a failure


and then say

quote:

that situation seems to have been rectified.



It has? We we watching the same games for the last month?

And if it's a lack of talent, who is PAID to get the talent? Who has the fancy parking spot? Who is paid $10M/year and is basically 4-4 (not counting rent a wins).

If you think it's the other coaches on staff, who hired those coaches?


Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
29139 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 12:48 am to
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What positions specifically are we lacking talent


Skill positions look like shite aside from Durham.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66745 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 12:52 am to
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I mean the results fall at the feet of the coaches. Period. Whether it’s the fact that they aren’t getting good enough players, aren’t implementing the correct scheme, aren’t developing the players correctly, etc I don’t really care.


No doubt, I addressed that as well. We're now seeing the results from his initial failures, I don't personally see the point of continuing to melt about it.

quote:

Brian Kelly is doing worse in year 3, with more of the players that he has recruited and developed, than he did in year 1, with players that he didn’t recruit or develop. Thats a fact. And I don’t see why fans shouldn’t complain about that.


It's fine to complain about it, but it's pretty common for a team's record to ebb and flow.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
17049 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 12:54 am to
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I don't see the OL getting whooped tonight.

This is sarcasm right? Like this has to be a joke.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66745 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 12:55 am to
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And if it's a lack of talent, who is PAID to get the talent? Who has the fancy parking spot? Who is paid $10M/year and is basically 4-4 (not counting rent a wins).

If you think it's the other coaches on staff, who hired those coaches?


Again, there's a lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball, mostly due to bad initial hires which led to recruiting failures.

I believe that has now been rectified but it's not an issue that goes away overnight. We now have to get the players and develop them.

I'm not going to sit here and melt because BK yells on the sideline or whatever like many here just because I'm mad we lost.

I'm not going to make vague complaints about a lack of creativity, playcalling, or preparation because I'm not qualified to make those judgements.
Posted by la_birdman
Northern GA via Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31961 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 12:57 am to
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I don't personally see the point of continuing to melt about it.



It's been the same thing for the last month. Actually worse.



That doesn't concern you? And don't say "I don't have a choice."


As a fan, you either are or aren't ok with what you've been seeing for the last month. I'm not trying to catch you in some sort of "gotcha" moment and I'm not calling for Kelly to be fired but if you honestly feel okay with what you've seen and think Kelly has been earning that contract, that's crazy.


You have said twice now that you blame most of it on the initial defensive hires but then you say "it seems to have been rectified."

How has it been rectified? Really asking.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
17049 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 12:57 am to
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No doubt, I addressed that as well. We're now seeing the results from his initial failures, I don't personally see the point of continuing to melt about it.

Because we are continuing to see it on the field. Until there is improvement instead of regression, people are going to complain, as they should. And it looks like he might have failed at hiring a coordinator on the offensive side of the ball as well.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83127 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 1:01 am to
I don’t know what exactly is the problem. I just know we suck. And I think the overall talent is just not there. I see a ton of mistakes from players who are in position to make plays.
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