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re: Lou Tepper Defense
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:54 pm to Cincinnati Tiigre
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:54 pm to Cincinnati Tiigre
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Secondary question. Of the great LB’s LSU has fielded since then, who could have best fulfilled the Drop LB position? And DJ Welter is not an acceptable answer.
This isn't directly related to your question but it's absolutely relevant.
I was watching that LSU Vault Video from 2003 season a few days ago.
Marcus Spears and Marquise Hill were fricking HUGE compared to our DEs these days. Both guys were pushing 300lbs playing DE in a 4-3 defense. That's 30-40 lbs bigger than Ojulari and Gaye.
For additional perspective, Danielle Hunter was 260 at LSU and still plays around 260.
With the OL and running backs not getting any smaller it makes you think defenders are getting asked to physically do more with less(weight) across the front 7.
Ojulari dropped back and covered a receiver streaking down the sideline and broke up a pass this season. It wasn't a major play for most casual fans but I know the scouts and teammates noticed it. It wasn't as clutch as Spears' pick 6 in the BCS game but it shows a skill DEs have today that they didn't need 20 years ago.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 7:58 pm
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:57 pm to Cincinnati Tiigre
Charter member of S.A.L.T checking in.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:03 pm to Polycarp
Decide for yourself if this would have been a good thing or not but IF Dinardo would have fired Lou Tepper, Dinardo in all likelihood would not have been fired in 1999.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:11 pm to Cincinnati Tiigre
I don't have technical knowledge, so my opinion may be completely wrong. I recall some here on TD used to complain Tepper's D was too complex, and it took too long for players to learn it. This was in the earlier years of The Rant (broadly, say 2003-2010), so my memory may be faulty and I can't speak accurately to the point from my own experience. But I'm fairly confident that I recall at least one or two posters complaining that by the time players knew their full responsibilities, they were graduating.
If this criticism is true, then it's possible that Tepper's D was okay to good in theory, but not good in practice as it didn't account for limited time with players in the college game.
Of course, there may be other issues: maybe Tepper's D was good, but he wasn't a good teacher; maybe the D put too much stress on certain positions that didn't have the right talent; maybe position coaches failed at their part, etc. But I don't recall criticism to these other possible issues.
If this criticism is true, then it's possible that Tepper's D was okay to good in theory, but not good in practice as it didn't account for limited time with players in the college game.
Of course, there may be other issues: maybe Tepper's D was good, but he wasn't a good teacher; maybe the D put too much stress on certain positions that didn't have the right talent; maybe position coaches failed at their part, etc. But I don't recall criticism to these other possible issues.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:18 pm to bearhc
Not trying to trigger anybody but found this interesting….
1999 LSU D- 349.1 yards per game allowed, 23.5 ppg allowed
2022 LSU D- 354.6 yards per game allowed, 22.5 points per game allowed
1999 LSU D- 349.1 yards per game allowed, 23.5 ppg allowed
2022 LSU D- 354.6 yards per game allowed, 22.5 points per game allowed
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:22 pm to Madking
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1999 LSU D- 349.1 yards per game allowed, 23.5 ppg allowed
2022 LSU D- 354.6 yards per game allowed, 22.5 points per game allowed A.S.
1999 BS (Before Spread)
2022 AS (After Spread)
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:24 pm to TBoy@LSU
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Decide for yourself if this would have been a good thing or not but IF Dinardo would have fired Lou Tepper, Dinardo in all likelihood would not have been fired in 1999.
DiNardo essentially bet what amounted to his entire career on Tepper. Even O had the foresight to can Pelini after one disastrous season.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:27 pm to shutterspeed
Ok but we were better vs spread teams than traditional downhill teams this season and we played twice as many cupcakes this season compared to 1999.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:28 pm to Madking
<350=bring back the magic
>350=secw alignment
I have loved being a tiger fan.
It’s had ups and downs. Still loved it.
Hallmanardo was tough.
Saban era was crazy.
Miles drove me damn crazy.
Orgeron was such a crazy time.
>350=secw alignment
I have loved being a tiger fan.
It’s had ups and downs. Still loved it.
Hallmanardo was tough.
Saban era was crazy.
Miles drove me damn crazy.
Orgeron was such a crazy time.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:29 pm to Cincinnati Tiigre
Worst dc EVER
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:31 pm to Madking
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Ok but we were better vs spread teams than traditional downhill teams this season and we played twice as many cupcakes this season compared to 1999.
The quality of athletes and coaches is so drastically different now from then that I don't see how you can possibly just compare stats straight up.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:34 pm to Cincinnati Tiigre
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how did his 3-4 compare
He was DC for my last two seasons as a student at LSU and memory is hazy, but I thought it was still a base 4-3?
What I do remember is we constantly had LBs trying to cover slot WRs and it was never good. I went to the game vs UF in The Swamp in 98 and walking out of that stadium it felt like we were skull dragged because our defense gave up play after play. Looking back, the score wasn't that bad (22-10).
CSB: My tickets were Joe Domingeaux's family tickets so I was sitting with a lot of other players' actual family. I remember when Dunson was getting absolutely torched Arnold Miller's dad yelled out "that kid is terrible, get his arse out of there." To which a woman turns around and says "hey, that's my son you are talking about." Miller's dad calmly says "well your son sucks and needs to get his arse on the bench." Only bright spot of the game for me.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:35 pm to shutterspeed
Ok do you see what you’re doing? You’re adding “context” which only flows one way disqualifying it from being actual context.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:36 pm to Cincinnati Tiigre
I remember going to the ND game in South Bend. LSU scored 34 points or so but couldn’t stop ND. We just sat and watched ND throw dink passes over middle with no linebackers in sight. It was awful.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:48 pm to dstone12
Arnsparger was like opening your Christmas present then having it stolen by New Years.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:56 pm to 1609tiger
Oddly Tepper shut down ND in the bowl the previous season running a 5 man front that they weren't prepared for.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:34 pm to Powerman
Tepper's defense constantly led to receivers or tight ends running wide open down the middle of the field. Over and Over and Over ad infinitum. I told the ND fans exactly how they were going to come back and beat us at ND in 1998 after the Tigers had built up a big lead.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:40 pm to Cincinnati Tiigre
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Was his scheme truly bad or was Lou Tepper maybe just ahead of his time?
His scheme called for Thomas Dunson to guard Champ Bailey one-on one when LSU played Georgia. Bailey was just running wild in the first half with seemingly nobody guarding him.
It wasn’t until after the game that Tepper admitted on the radio that it was Dunson who was supposed to be guarding Bailey.
Thomas Dunson was probably the slowest white linebacker in the history of the SEC. After Tepper was fired, Dunson transferred at least once and wound up at some school like Texas State University, where he couldn’t even break the second string.
So yes, Tepper was AWEFUL.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 10:02 pm to FlyingTiger06
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What I do remember is we constantly had LBs trying to cover slot WRs and it was never good. I went to the game vs UF in The Swamp in 98 and walking out of that stadium it felt like we were skull dragged because our defense gave up play after play. Looking back, the score wasn't that bad (22-10).
I also remember Joe Wesley dropping a pick 6 that was right in his belly. Wesley said that Tepper told him he would have an INT on that exact play and was right. He just dropped it and it would have given LSU the lead. That was the yellow jersey game if I remember also
Posted on 1/6/23 at 10:46 pm to ehidal1
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That was the yellow jersey game if I remember also
Yes, it was a gold jersey game. Still had lots of defensive busts.
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