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Look what our woke, Leftist education system has done for our country

Posted on 9/24/26 at 6:39 am
Posted by Geekboy
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Posted on 9/24/26 at 6:39 am
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Ranked: The World’s Best Countries at Math in 2026

LINK

Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/24/26 at 6:41 am to
China and Japan passed us years ago and its only going to get worse from here.

Our public education system is not only the most expensive, but also least effective. It's a joke.
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Member since Apr 2024
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Posted on 9/24/26 at 6:46 am to
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Our public education system is not only the most expensive, but also least effective. It's a joke.


Oh, it is quite effective. Have you tried to follow a conversation online lately? The country is dominated by ignorant, easily swayed people. The government is rife with morons.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
65724 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 6:48 am to
Why don’t those Asian countries care that the tests are racist?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
483302 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 6:50 am to
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China and Japan passed us years ago and its only going to get worse from here.


I'm pretty sure they were ahead of us 30+ years ago when I was in high school. What has been the major impact? The US has not only maintained it's economic/invention edge, it's expanded even further v. the world in that time period.

These rankings are always skewed because the US has a disproportionately high % of underclass that drag us down. We also have a much better educational philosophy with an edge that expands post-secondary (After these tests are taken). This + our huge population means our education system still produces the best (and we import many of the best from abroad).
Posted by Geekboy
Member since Jan 2004
8579 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 6:53 am to
There are endless videos like this on YouTube that show you plainly that this generation is as dumb as a box of rocks.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
483302 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 6:55 am to
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There are endless videos like this on YouTube that show you plainly that this generation is as dumb as a box of rocks.




Jay Leno has been doing this bit since the 90s my boy. It's nothing new.
Posted by Swamp Angel
West Georgia Chicken Farm Territory
Member since Jul 2004
10674 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 6:56 am to
The precipitous decline began long before the Woke/DEI crap of the past eight or ten years took hold. US academic scores started falling almost as soon as the Dept of Education became a cabinet level agency in 1980. That, and the teachers unions, have led to education being seen as an opportunity for long-term employment with no fear of dismissal once tenure has been attained.

Even in that grand decade of the 1980s there was a very noticeable undercurrent that gave one the feeling that there was more interest in simply presenting the text than in teaching and ensuring that students understood the concepts. Teachers taught formulas rather than an understanding of the logic applied. Memorization is NEVER a substitute for understanding.
Posted by Tmo Sabe
GA
Member since Mar 2022
1096 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 6:59 am to
Now do critical thinking.

I'm sure it's way worse.
Posted by Geekboy
Member since Jan 2004
8579 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 7:00 am to
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The precipitous decline began long before the Woke/DEI crap of the past eight or ten years took hold.

Correct but the recent acceleration in the last 10 years has been alarming.
Posted by SlackMaster
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
2872 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 7:04 am to
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This + our huge population means our education system still produces the best (and we import many of the best from abroad).


You are misreading it. Our averages are bad, but a subset of our students are exceptional.

Your point that our education philosophy is better is true at the secondary level but the free thinking/ critical thinking approach has been eroded significantly in recent years.

The bigger factor is this: We now have a two-tiered education system in that our public education is mostly abysmal (due to teachers unions protecting poor performance, but also as you mentioned the high % of underclass) but tohe wealthy have excellent education -- either by moving to specific districts or paying for private education. It's worse here in Louisiana but generally true nationally. .

Thus, our averages are bad, but a subset of our students are exceptional and they go on to lead innovation and other great things due to our capitalist economy.
This post was edited on 9/24/26 at 7:06 am
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
15246 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 7:05 am to
Read the asterisk for China. Only includes the urban areas in the north east. Most of the rural areas are still in the 19th century.
Posted by Dock Holiday
Member since Sep 2015
2086 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 7:09 am to
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I'm pretty sure they were ahead of us 30+ years ago


Came out with a complete falsehood and kept sliding down that hill, well done.

2018 is the year you are searching for and by MY math (US education) that's not close to "30+" years ago
Posted by mauser
Orange Beach
Member since Nov 2008
27913 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 7:10 am to
My take is make sure average Joe and dumb Joe can do elementary math; add, subtract, and basic multiplication and division. Push the smart as far as possible. Let the cream rise to the top.

Averages don't matter. You want that top 10-25% to be at the top globally.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
15246 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 7:10 am to
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This + our huge population means our education system still produces the best (and we import many of the best from abroad).



Add to it that those with means going private school have better chances at higher scores. We are just dragged down by averages from inner Chicago, Atlanta, NYC, LA, ect. Where many can’t even pass literacy norms.

We still produce plenty of high achieving math students out of the 360m pop to sustain our needs.


Also doesn’t help that we are bringing in more sub 100 IQ populations across the border each year.

Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
29333 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 7:11 am to
Right wingers have been defunding public education and universities as a central mission for decades. This is the result of that long term process.

Break down education by state and region in America and the tale is told.
This post was edited on 9/24/26 at 7:12 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
483302 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 7:13 am to
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Our averages are bad, but a subset of our students are exceptional.

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You are misreading it

What?

quote:

Your point that our education philosophy is better is true at the secondary level but the free thinking/ critical thinking approach has been eroded significantly in recent years.

That hasn't been shown in the economic/development data. We are still dominant

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We now have a two-tiered education system in that our public education is mostly abysmal (due to teachers unions protecting poor performance, but also as you mentioned the high % of underclass) but tohe wealthy have excellent education -- either by moving to specific districts or paying for private education.

This is a bit over-stated. There are some urban districts that are completely worthless, yes, especially in the south, but that's more the issue with the underclass that I mentioned. Schools are made by the students/families of students.

I went to public school and did better in LSU Honors 1st year than almost all of the private school kids and even most of the LSMSA kids. That same path is available at the same public school for kids of my quality. Is there more of an underclass population at the school now that drags down the average/scores? Yes. Does that affect the good students? No.

Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
20714 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 7:14 am to
While Asian countries seem to be the most proficient in math, as well as other subjects really, they seem to be missing the somewhat important part, freedoms and rights. While I agree that Baltimore, Chicago or even New Orleans have atrocious it starts with the family that raises them and the politicians that made a very flawed educational system. The systemic problem is not color but corruption in families and those who put those politicians in charge
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Member since Apr 2024
13174 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 7:16 am to
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Right wingers have been defunding public education and universities as a central mission for decades


You really are a fricking moron.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
483302 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 7:16 am to
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2018 is the year you are searching for

For what data point, exactly?

I just looked and we were 19th in the PISA math rankings in 2000.

#1 was Japan
This post was edited on 9/24/26 at 7:21 am
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