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re: Locking up the state of LA
Posted on 12/4/24 at 3:35 pm to theSaltwaterGuide
Posted on 12/4/24 at 3:35 pm to theSaltwaterGuide
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I have no issue with taking 3 stars from within the state and helping them grow into excellent footb
There are no teams full of 3 stars winning anything of note in cfb.
Posted on 12/4/24 at 3:44 pm to Rickdaddy4188
no but there are teams with 3 stars winning NC.
Obviously some guys are going to get overlooked and you have to keep your eyes out for them.
Justin Jefferson
CEH
Neil Farrell
Damien Lewis was a 3 start coming out of JUCO
Lloyd Cushenberry
foster Moreau
Debo Jones
We’ve had some really good player who weren’t super highly rated.
Don’t bank on them but you can take them if you like them.
Obviously some guys are going to get overlooked and you have to keep your eyes out for them.
Justin Jefferson
CEH
Neil Farrell
Damien Lewis was a 3 start coming out of JUCO
Lloyd Cushenberry
foster Moreau
Debo Jones
We’ve had some really good player who weren’t super highly rated.
Don’t bank on them but you can take them if you like them.
Posted on 12/4/24 at 3:44 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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There are no teams full of 3 stars winning anything of note in cfb.
I'm not going to do any more research but Michigan did win the NC last year and in the several classes where those players came from, they didn't have a top 10 finish in any of those years in the team recruiting rankings. So for anyone who thinks you can't win unless you are top 5 in recruiting, that was disproven LAST season with Michigan.
Posted on 12/4/24 at 3:50 pm to JimTiger72
This day and age yea, that's pretty well locked up. There won't always be 15 that can make it at LSU to begin with. Then there aren't always national recruits at some positions every year.
This year we missed a few, but it's about as locked up as you can get, and all of the ones you didn't get didn't all go to the same school.
This year we missed a few, but it's about as locked up as you can get, and all of the ones you didn't get didn't all go to the same school.
Posted on 12/4/24 at 5:33 pm to NotaStarGazer
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I'm not going to do any more research but Michigan did win the NC last year and in the several classes where those players came from, they didn't have a top 10 finish in any of those years in the team recruiting rankings. So for anyone who thinks you can't win unless you are top 5 in recruiting, that was disproven LAST season with Michigan
2 top 10 classes and #13 won 1 national title out of the last 20 NC. 19 NC that were won with blue chip athletes at elite programs doesn't prove you can win without elite recruiting.
Top 10 classes aren't full of 3 stars.
This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 12/4/24 at 5:51 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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2 top 10 classes and #13 won 1 national title out of the last 20 NC. 19 NC that were won with blue chip athletes at elite programs doesn't prove you can win without elite recruiting.
Top 10 classes aren't full of 3 stars.
bullshite! I just used Michigan as ONE example. 2010 Auburn NC...last classes preceding that year. #9, #11, #17, #23. 2016 Clemson NC....last classes preceding that year #20, #14, #16, #9. Those were the 247 sports composite total rankings for those classes....all in the last 20 years.. So cut the crap, guy, and do your research instead of just spewing fiction! I didn't even check the other NC winners in the last 20 years. And BTW, there are classes NOT in the top 10 rankings of recruiting that are NOT filled with 3 stars...LSU has had them and so have other teams.

Posted on 12/4/24 at 9:15 pm to denvertiger
quote:It absolutely is for all of the Mediocrity Acceptors.
Is 9 of the top 15 considered locking up the state?
Not so much for those with higher standards of execution.

Posted on 12/4/24 at 9:23 pm to JimTiger72
I guess two years ago we should’ve signed 3 QBs, just so we could “lock up the state”
Posted on 12/4/24 at 9:40 pm to TopWaterTiger
Needs to be more like 11-12 to be considered locked up or at least get 8 of the top 10. Don’t care about Stewert but would like to know how Harper got away.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:23 am to JimTiger72
Our No. 1 rival has been beating us with players from out of its home state. It got a championship quarterback from Hawaii, for god's sake.
With Texas' money, they could have bought the complete top 15 in their state. But Sark learned from Saban. You have to supplement your recruiting class with national recruits.
With Texas' money, they could have bought the complete top 15 in their state. But Sark learned from Saban. You have to supplement your recruiting class with national recruits.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:31 am to NotaStarGazer
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Those were the 247 sports composite total rankings for those classes....all in the last 20 years.. So cut the crap, guy, and do your research instead of just spewing fiction!

So 3 since 2000?
Lsu,usc,bama,uga,Ohio state,florida ,Oklahoma ,clemson's 2nd title, Michigan and Miami had elite classes (top 10 or 12 classes)
22 of the national titles have been won with elite recruiting... multiple top 10 classes
And again top 10 -12 classes ARE NOT littered with 3 stars.... your outlier teams in no way prove you can win titles loaded with 3 stars... but hey keep thinking you can.
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bullshite! I just used Michigan as ONE example.
Michigan wasn't a good example... they had multiple top 10 classes not littered with 3 stars. But hey keep being wrong...
I can't believe I'm actually having to argue with people that you need elite talent for elite results. The rant never ceases to amaze me.
I agree you don't have to have all top 5 classes.
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No need to be a dick... I checked your post history and you seem like a good poster...
We probably just disagree on what constitutes an elite class.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 2:02 am
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:44 am to JimTiger72
This is not locking up. 9 of the top 10 is locking up
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:48 am to SOL2
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9 of the top 10 is locking up
Literally not possible with the other guys we signed
Jahkeem Stewart is the only real miss, but lol at paying him 2M/yr
Posted on 12/5/24 at 9:27 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Michigan wasn't a good example... they had multiple top 10 classes not littered with 3 stars. But hey keep being wrong...
Michigan is a great example and they did NOT have top 10 classes for YEARS preceding the NC. I gave you the numbers...you can claim otherwise but just tells me you are just stubborn and don't want to back down

BTW, guess you noticed one of the main headlines on the Tigerdroppings splash page. They called the class "elite". Hmmmm. It IS an elite class. I admit by Webster's definition, "elite" means best of a group. I don't think most people use that definition in recruiting. If you do, then Texas I guess would have been the only "elite" recruiting class this time...not Alabama...not Georgia...not Oregon...not Ohio State...not LSU, etc.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:35 am to NotaStarGazer
I said top top 10-11 is elite.
Michigan top 10 class in 2022
Michigan top 10 class in 2020
Literally 22 of the last 24 nC had elite recruiting classes and 2010 auburn had one of the best college qbs of all time.
Again, I can't believe I'm having to educate our football ignorant fans that you need elite talent for elite results. I can't believe I'm having to explain that there is a reason coaches try to have the best talent ie the best classes. Why didn't saban just recruit in the top 20 range? I can't believe im having to explain that there are no teams with tons of 3 star starters that consistently win and play for titles.
But hey keep being stupid.
Michigan top 10 class in 2022
Michigan top 10 class in 2020
Literally 22 of the last 24 nC had elite recruiting classes and 2010 auburn had one of the best college qbs of all time.
Again, I can't believe I'm having to educate our football ignorant fans that you need elite talent for elite results. I can't believe I'm having to explain that there is a reason coaches try to have the best talent ie the best classes. Why didn't saban just recruit in the top 20 range? I can't believe im having to explain that there are no teams with tons of 3 star starters that consistently win and play for titles.
But hey keep being stupid.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 10:52 am
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:45 am to Rickdaddy4188
Guy, I will repeat the TRUE Michigan rankings as I stated initially. I went to 247 Composite TOTAL recruiting rankings which included the transfer portal. Look it up, Einstein, it isn't that tough.
2019 10th....2020 13th, NOT a top 10 class, 2021 13th, 2022 12th, 2023 20th. So as I said, Michigan was NOT recruiting as a top 10 level. The facts are the facts and I just gave them.
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Once again for the umpteenth time, I only checked 4 or 5 teams. Michigan, Clemson (1st title), and Auburn disputes your theory. I did check either one or two of the FL NCs and they indeed were recruiting top 10 classes. The ones I have listed did NOT do that and still won the NC. Ssssooo, you can keep being stupid yourself and trying to post inaccurate numbers.
2019 10th....2020 13th, NOT a top 10 class, 2021 13th, 2022 12th, 2023 20th. So as I said, Michigan was NOT recruiting as a top 10 level. The facts are the facts and I just gave them.
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Once again for the umpteenth time, I only checked 4 or 5 teams. Michigan, Clemson (1st title), and Auburn disputes your theory. I did check either one or two of the FL NCs and they indeed were recruiting top 10 classes. The ones I have listed did NOT do that and still won the NC. Ssssooo, you can keep being stupid yourself and trying to post inaccurate numbers.

This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 12/5/24 at 3:30 pm to NotaStarGazer
K keep thinking the outlier is the rule. I can't help you.I wonder why all these great programs are doing their best to have elite classes when they can just go your route and have a bunch of 3 stars win titles...
Even if I gave your dumbass Michigan
I wonder how bama,uga, lsu, florida, Ohio state,Oklahoma and Miami won 21 of the last 24 national titles.... with elite recruiting.
Leanr how outliers work or continue to be football ignorant.
Spank emote....
Eta: none of those classes are full of 3 stars....
My initial post.....
Keep being wrong.
Even if I gave your dumbass Michigan
I wonder how bama,uga, lsu, florida, Ohio state,Oklahoma and Miami won 21 of the last 24 national titles.... with elite recruiting.
Leanr how outliers work or continue to be football ignorant.
Spank emote....

Eta: none of those classes are full of 3 stars....
My initial post.....
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There are no teams full of 3 stars winning anything of note in cfb.
Keep being wrong.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:16 pm to Rickdaddy4188
LSU is NOT full or have a bunch of 3 stars...your first LIE. Hey Mr Math, look at the AVERAGE rating per signee. LSU is not very far behind the one with the highest average. Once again, you didn't mention the ones who got NCs WITHOUT being in the top 10 recruiting. You mentioned 21 out of the last 24. I haven't checked those stats to see if more were not in the top 10 leading up their NCs. Apparently you can't count because ALL programs have 3* players. Oh, and BTW, if you notice my userid, I'm not OBSESSED with stars to begin with as you are. Recruiting ratings are wrong far too often. The most important two factors in whether a player deserves a scholarship or not is to look at who offers that person AND if they came to camp, what did the coaches see, That is what intelligent fans look at...not some arbitrary scale put forth by guys who probably never saw the player at a game.
YOU are still clueless!
YOU are still clueless!
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:42 pm to NotaStarGazer
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LSU is NOT full or have a bunch of 3 stars...your first LIE.
I never said this dumbass. I said teams full of 3 stars don't win anything of note in cfb. At no point did I shite on lsu's class....
Get a fricking grip dumbass.
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Once again, you didn't mention the ones who got NCs WITHOUT being in the top 10 recruiting. You mentioned 21 out of the last 24. I
The Michigan classes YOU linked aren't full of 3 stars.
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Apparently you can't count because ALL programs have 3* players
Never said programs that win titles don't have 3 stars on the rosters.... do I need to post my initial post that decided go respond to?
I said......
There are no teams FULL of 3 stars that win anything of note.
But by all means keep strawmanning... I was hoping you're dumbass would realize you're arguing against something I never said.
You might be the only poster to ever argue against strawman and lose than argument. The Michigan classes YOU posted WERE NOT full of 3 stars.
I tried to squash this by saying we probably have a different opinion on what constitutes an elite class since what I said was teams full of 3 stars. You then went on to mention 2 other teams that weren't full of 3 stars to act like you won some argument.
Keep thinking teams without elite talent can get elite results.
And frick your user name... youre just some football ignorant poster that doesn't know where the 7 technique lines up or what the 5 route is without Google.
Spank emoji....

This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 12/5/24 at 5:50 pm to Rickdaddy4188
LSU HAS elite talent and the message I referenced on the main splash screen said in the title that LSU class was "elite". I also defined what I meant by "elite" which was the MULTIPLE teams can have elite talent in one class. I also stated that the strict definition in Websters is "best of the group". Why I continued to disagree with you is because you keep acting like the LSU class is a bunch of 3* and that LSU can't win like that. Bottom line: you and I need to end this back and forth...solving nothing...and you and I can't even agree on how elite should be used. Have a good night!
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