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re: Lewis Neal in a 3-4
Posted on 4/17/16 at 12:24 am to 08Tiger
Posted on 4/17/16 at 12:24 am to 08Tiger
It's true man 1gap 2gap in a 3-4 you have to do both do you seriously think at the college level dlinemen have one assignment maybe he favors a certain way but you have to be able to do both and more go look at the nfl there are several 3-4 teams they all operate a little differently yes but the size of the personnel is all the same
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Posted on 4/17/16 at 12:25 am to ipodking
If you think miles doesn't name the starters you're just ignorant
Posted on 4/17/16 at 2:35 am to tigerfoot
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Spears said the linemen have two gap responsibility
Yeah I heard him say that. Majority of 3-4 defenses are 2 gap schemes up front. So maybe that's why Spears said that. But like I said, Aranda primarily ran a 3-4 1 gap scheme at Wisky and it looked like that's what we were running today. Now there may be some calls, formations, checks, etc where someone will be 2 gapping, especially the NT, but I saw a lot of 1 gapping out there today, especially when we were blitzing off the corner. And it works.
Arandas D is all about getting the individual matchup that he wants to exploit and attack it. It's about creating pressure and disrupting the offense. It's about creating the advantage with numbers on 1 side and finding the individual mismatch he wants. Go look at a team that runs a 3-4 2 gap scheme, like Alabama, and then watch Arandas D. It's completely different.
This post was edited on 4/17/16 at 2:47 am
Posted on 4/18/16 at 3:21 pm to GoldenBoy
I think it's too early to make general assessments of the D, but I do see some question ?s. There are also guys who look like ideal fits (e.g., Arden Key, Kendell Beckwith, Frank Herron).
I've heard that Neal will play on the line and standing up. Personally, I like him better standing up (in the 250-260+ range). Playing LB, I think the question marks on Neal would be lateral quickness, range, coverage ability, etc. -- a guy like Corey Thompson could help in those areas with rotation.
I've heard that Neal will play on the line and standing up. Personally, I like him better standing up (in the 250-260+ range). Playing LB, I think the question marks on Neal would be lateral quickness, range, coverage ability, etc. -- a guy like Corey Thompson could help in those areas with rotation.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 3:33 pm to KG5989
Neal is gonna eat some centers for lunch with his size and quickness
Posted on 4/18/16 at 3:34 pm to GoldenBoy
We do have the personell. Like others have said, we haven't been fielding players with prototypical size for a 4-3 either for years.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 3:36 pm to GoldenBoy
He can just bull rush on every down and get the pressure he needs. I hear that's all they practice in Dline individual anyway.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 4:04 pm to KG5989
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At Wisky, Aranda ran a 3-4 1 gap scheme
Wisconsin definitely did a lot of two-gapping with Aranda.
Badgers football: Defense has advantage with 3-4 scheme
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But the run defense has been rock solid, ranking seventh nationally (98.8) while allowing only three runs of 20-plus yards. Aranda credits that to the players as well as a two-gapping scheme, in which the three defensive linemen try to tie up five offensive linemen.
“We’re two-gapping. A lot of people we play don’t really see that, they see one-gap defense,” Aranda said. “We two-gap, try to get three guys to attack five and Chris comes over the top. It’s been a good mix so far.”
I haven't seen a statistical breakdown or anything as to which (one-gap or two-gap) was more prevalent during Aranda's years with Wisconsin, but I've heard and read many people emphasize two-gapping in reference to what LSU will be running. One example:
Pete Jenkins take on new LSU defensive coordinator, Tiger standouts for ’16
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Expectations are that the Tigers will attack from a 3-4 alignment, and Jenkins knows what the Tiger faithful can expect to see in the 3-4, two-gap defense.
“You have to be much more technique sound. Two gap, read and attack,” Jenkins preache. “Hand placement is vital, elbows in, thumbs up.”
Posted on 4/18/16 at 4:07 pm to dgnx6
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we haven't been fielding players with prototypical size for a 4-3 either for years.
Can you explain this? I realize that we've had small LB's but that's even less of a fit in a 3-4.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 4:10 pm to GoldenBoy
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Because most 3-4 ends are about 25 pounds heavier.
Aranda's DE's at Wisconsin were around 260. A one gap 3-4 doesn't need space eaters.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 4:13 pm to whodidthat
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Aranda's DE's at Wisconsin were around 260. A one gap 3-4 doesn't need space eaters.
To add on to this, the two ILB's he started last year were 228 and 238 pounds.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 4:40 pm to thunderbird1100
That was In the big ten this is real football down here can't get away with playing that small of a lineup
Posted on 4/18/16 at 4:46 pm to GoldenBoy
Lewis Neal is not a tall man. He walked by me the other day. I'm 5-10, and he was only a little taller than I was.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 5:00 pm to inadaze
He's run both, depending on his personnel. And it's all a hybrid anyways. But his attack style of D that wants to exploit 1v1 matchups is a 1 gap based philosophy.
LINK
He breaks down his scheme and style in this video. And it's a 1 gap.
But like I've said, he has experience running just about every style of D out there. His scheme depends on his personnel and he tweaks it so that it fits his players. Early on at Wisky, he ran a 2 gap because he had the personnel to do so. When those guys left, he had a lot of tweeners and smaller DL so he ran a 1 gap and he had a lot of success doing that.
We've got a lot of tweeners and don't have a true NT, which is why I see Aranda running a lot of his 1 gap scheme here. We will see some 2 galling depending on calls, personnel, opponent, etc. But Aranda wants to attack the offense with a lot of blitzing, slants, stunts, etc. to get the 1v1 matchup that he wants to exploit and when he does that, it's typically a 1 gap based scheme. And that's what I saw a lot of during the spring game.
LINK
He breaks down his scheme and style in this video. And it's a 1 gap.
But like I've said, he has experience running just about every style of D out there. His scheme depends on his personnel and he tweaks it so that it fits his players. Early on at Wisky, he ran a 2 gap because he had the personnel to do so. When those guys left, he had a lot of tweeners and smaller DL so he ran a 1 gap and he had a lot of success doing that.
We've got a lot of tweeners and don't have a true NT, which is why I see Aranda running a lot of his 1 gap scheme here. We will see some 2 galling depending on calls, personnel, opponent, etc. But Aranda wants to attack the offense with a lot of blitzing, slants, stunts, etc. to get the 1v1 matchup that he wants to exploit and when he does that, it's typically a 1 gap based scheme. And that's what I saw a lot of during the spring game.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 5:02 pm to KG5989
His defense looks a lot more like this:
Than this:
Than this:
Posted on 4/18/16 at 5:17 pm to JWill409
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Ever notice how during the Miles era, the majority of our DLinemen drafted are drafted to a 3-4 scheme?
This is not true.
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Dorsey
Mingo
Ferguson
Ricky Jean-Francois
Tyson Jackson
Sam Montgomery
Kyle Williams
Not true for Ferguson and Williams.
If you define "the Miles era" as 2005-2015 (which includes players recruited by Nick Saban), the breakdown looks like this:
LSU Defensive Linemen Drafted to 4-3 Defenses
Danielle Hunter (2015)
Ego Ferguson (2014)
Lavar Edwards (2013)
Michael Brockers (2012)
Drake Nevis (2011)
Lazarius Levingston (2011)
Al Woods (2010)
Glenn Dorsey (2008)
Claude Wroten (2006)
Kyle Williams (2006)
Melvin Oliver (2006)
Total - 11 (7 recruited by Miles)
LSU Defensive Linemen Drafted to 3-4 Defenses
Barkevious Mingo (2013)
Bennie Logan (2013)
Sam Montgomery (2013)
Tyson Jackson (2009)
Ricky Jean-Francois (2009)
Chase Pittman (2007)
Marcus Spears (2005)
Total - 7 (4 recruited by Miles)
Any way you look at it, more D-linemen have been drafted to 4-3 Defenses.
This post was edited on 4/21/16 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 4/18/16 at 5:46 pm to KG5989
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He breaks down his scheme and style in this video.
I've seen that video, and that is not sufficient to say that Aranda ran a 1-gap scheme at Wisconsin -- that's just not an accurate characterization. In terms of prevalence, if you had some kind of overview from Aranda of his time with Wisconsin or a breakdown from Aranda/UW on which (1-gap or 2-gap) was more prevalent, that would be something legitimate. I wouldn't trust an external breakdown of that sort of thing because there are too many variables in terms of coaching and assignments involved. Undoubtedly, UW ran a lot of two-gap with Aranda, though.
We'll see what he wants to utilize with LSU -- I'm sure it will be some mix of both.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 6:32 pm to inadaze
Bennie Logan plays ng for Phili in a 3-4 scheme drake Nevis al woods and Kyle Williams have played in both so categorizing them as 4-3 players is wrong
Posted on 4/18/16 at 7:39 pm to Madking
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Bennie Logan plays ng for Phili in a 3-4 scheme
Schwartz Confirms Switch To 4-3 Scheme
But that's not really the point. If you look at the post that I replied to -- the poster said, "drafted to a 3-4 scheme". The key words are "drafted to".
Logan was drafted in 2013. The week before the Eagles drafted him, Chip Kelly described the D as both a 3-4 and a 4-3 -- Is Eagles' D a 3-4 or 4-3? Chip Kelly says both -- but I will edit to put Logan in the 3-4 group (there are still more players in the 4-3 group).
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drake Nevis al woods and Kyle Williams have played in both so categorizing them as 4-3 players is wrong
No, it's not. Again, the key words are "drafted to".
Posted on 4/18/16 at 7:44 pm to inadaze
So doesn't matter that most of their career they've played in the 3-4 you'd consider em 4-3 guys anyway?
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